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re: Things I disagree with Trump over----and every conservative should

Posted on 1/22/17 at 7:50 pm to
Posted by RobbBobb
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Posted on 1/22/17 at 7:50 pm to
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So when America was "firing on all cylinders" how many were immigrants? The actual number.

During the Roarin' 20s, the US would have had 415,000 foreign born citizens, out of 93M total
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:07 pm to
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The system worked for many of them pre Katrina.


OMG. Revisionist history there.

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system is not bureaucracy


BS--most of the dollars go to bureaucracy. It is bureaucracy that will not let teachers teach or in school administrators act.

It is bureaucracy that made my daughter's public school let this girl with a disorder that causes her to throw violet fits--so violet she had a helmet--into the classroom. 8 times in the first three months of her 7th grade year the class was forced to go into the hall while the girl threw fits. I feel sorry for the girl but 30 others student should not be held back to accommodate her. She needs some kind of special education somewhere. The school BTW because of local bureaucracy had to stay on a parish wide curriculum and my daughter's class simply never got those 8 days of instruction.

One example of the idiocy of dictating school management from Baton Rouge or DC or even from a Parish school central office.

It is stupid.

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The problem with our education system is poverty pure and simple


So you want every one to have a shitty education because some are poor (that is not an excuse) and some have parents that don't care--how twisted is your thinking.

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There is no evidence that supports charter schools being better for students who come from poverty.


Why are there waiting list for vouchers and charters in New Orleans? Why do you want to deny anyone choice? You simply want the bureaucracy to continue.

You logic is twisted and can only be explained as being from someone that profits from the government school system some how.

If there is only one family in a school district that cares about the education of their child they should be able to send their kid to any school they wish and should not have to send them to a dangerous, crappy school that mikelowery1911 says they must attend.
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 8:24 pm
Posted by mikelowery1911
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
896 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:49 pm to
Fact: the charter schools that took over failing schools in Baton Rouge and NOLA are still struggling

Fact: the charter schools that do well generally have selective admissions or service students from middle class backgrounds.

The example you listed earlier happened because of federal law. All schools Including charters have to adhere to those laws.

If you know anything about NOLA you know they have always had a strong private school system which is a form of school choice. The best of those schools refuse to accept vouchers.

If school choice is so good why do we not have it in our best school districts? Zachary, Ascension, Livingston, St. Tammany do Central not have school choice. There is no need. The schools work there because those areas service a relatively affluent population.

So what you are telling me is school choice is so awesome they are only letting poor people have it? I cannot think of a time in history where that happened.

The issue with our education system is poverty not the strawmen you keep swinging at. That is why you see so many parents in BR and Nola moving to St. Tammany, Livingston and Ascension.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 8:59 am to
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Fact: the charter schools that took over failing schools in Baton Rouge and NOLA are still struggling


Says who? there are waiting lines for people to enroll their kids there. But you know what--if they don't do the job they will close. Name one government school that was ever closed for not doing the job.

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Fact: the charter schools that do well generally have selective admissions or service students from middle class backgrounds.
Just your ramblings. MLK the third disagrees. LINK But even if true why would you deny them access to choice.


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St. Tammany


Loaded with private schools and there should be vouchers there too.

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So what you are telling me is school choice is so awesome they are only letting poor people have it?


Because of the opposition of the educational bureaucracy. An organized and in some ways taxpayer funded opposition.

I got your stance---you know better than parents and you want to tell them where they have to go to send their kids to school. You support a bureaucracy that grows every year. A behemoth that syphons money at 4 levels yet never improves on educational results. He want to blame parents and make excuses. We have poverty--the system isn't working for the poor but you want to keep it. My grandfather was a share cropper. I am not going to listen to some fat bureaucrat make excuses for government failures.

I am for teachers and parents. I want the teachers to be free of the government strangulation that keeps them from doing the job they know has to be done. I want parents to have choice.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/23/17 at 9:32 am to
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First off Trump is not a conservative.


but the vast majority of his policies ARE CONSERVATIVE as i have laid out ad infinitum.

So that makes him a liberal?



You continue to not disappoint in proving you are a dipshit.

Bill Bennett himself admitted Trump's cabinet is MORE CONSERVATIVE than Regan's who Bill was on.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 9:34 am
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14491 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 9:59 am to
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First off Trump is not a conservative. His goals are not really smaller government.

Yep.
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1) government purchasing of prescription drugs---he said last week the government should be more active in negotiating drug prices for medicare and medicaid. I disagree. It is the government purchasing of these drugs that have driven the prices up over the years. The changes need to be FAR more extreme for the good of us all. The government should get out of the direct purchasing of healthcare and should instead simply subsidize the purchase of healthcare by individuals. Voucher if you will. It works for the GI bill. It works albeit too much for food stamps. It will work for healthcare. (Imagine what food would cost if the government bought half of it for us.)


I think this is an unfair criticism. The "he should do even more" charge when someone is moving us in the right direction is neither realistic or helpful.

Trade, Immigration and Military spending-basically agree.
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1) big government is inherently corrupt and Trump knows this. I feel he is going to be looking at who profits and who loses on government action and will act accordingly. I don't think he seeks to profit from his time in office.
2) he is right to question NATO.
3) he is right on school choice and I think DeVos may have been his most important appointment. If we can move to universal school choice it will be wonderful.
4) he is right to challenge republicans and the democrats
5) he is right to lower taxes and should do it ASAP.
6) he will make good supreme court nominees I think



Besides the Supreme Court nominee I am very CAUTIOUSLY optimistic.

I would add I LIKE his discussion of infrastructure spending. And just the anti-PC, anti-left wing media rhetoric is wonderful. That needed to be done and he could check that off the list already (but of course he won't stop).
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:19 am to
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Bill Bennett himself admitted Trump's cabinet is MORE CONSERVATIVE than Regan's who Bill was on.


And I was very encourage by his appointments.

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but the vast majority of his policies ARE CONSERVATIVE as i have laid out ad infinitum.


maybe and hopefully

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You continue to not disappoint in proving you are a dip shite.


I shall not blindly support a politician. You can if you wish. I will continue to support those candidates that work for smaller government and more individual freedom. I am optimistic Trump will do this.

I have outlined where I think he has left the conservative path. What part of those things fits your idea of conservatism?

Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125398 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:20 am to
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) military spending--I am tired of the military complex. Let's defend ourselves and build a budget that does just that. Hopefully he will get us out of this endless war that Bush, Obama and Hillary supported.


He's going to lift the cap on military spending. So the military complex pockets are going to get even fatter. So much for draining the swamp.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42571 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:20 am to
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"The Wall" should remain a campaign metaphor for putting a stop to illegal immigration.

This is the absolute truth.

If it takes a physical wall, then so be it - but I highly doubt that reasonable minds would come to that conclusion.

Illegal immigration has to be brought under control - it can never be stopped, but for God's sake it needs to not be encouraged nor celebrated.
Posted by Morgus
The Old City Icehouse
Member since May 2004
9120 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:21 am to
Neocon garbage.

With regard to vouchers the idea is just an byproduct of the assumption that racial achievement gaps are largely the result of environment. Neocons who believe this can then have their fun calling leftists/teacher union types who oppose it "racist" for not allowing struggling kids a chance to learn in a better environment. Except it doesn't matter.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 10:33 am
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:24 am to
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I think this is an unfair criticism. The "he should do even more" charge when someone is moving us in the right direction is neither realistic or helpful.



the government's role in the direct purchasing of healthcare is the primary reason cost have increased greater than the rate of inflation.

We should move to end that and make shoppers out of everybody.

I heard a VERY good proposal this morning by Rudy Giuliani He wants to end the tax deductibility of health care for employers but give it to employees. I hope Trump listens to this. I think he sent Rudy out to say that as a trail balloon. I would take it one step further---I would make some portion of it a tax credit. Getting employers out of the healthcare business would be WONDERFUL and would be a very LARGE step in making US manufacturers more competitive.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
39993 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:26 am to
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3) Immigration--I am ok with building the wall and enforcing current law BUT I am not for limiting immigration. I am for unlimited legal immigration.




Jesus dude, I wish I had more than one downvote to give you.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:27 am to
Crap mikelowery1911 want us to continue to suffer with and spend money on--

The Education Burecracy At Work in Shreveport
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14491 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:42 am to
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the government's role in the direct purchasing of healthcare is the primary reason cost have increased greater than the rate of inflation.

We should move to end that and make shoppers out of everybody.

I heard a VERY good proposal this morning by Rudy Giuliani He wants to end the tax deductibility of health care for employers but give it to employees. I hope Trump listens to this. I think he sent Rudy out to say that as a trail balloon. I would take it one step further---I would make some portion of it a tax credit. Getting employers out of the healthcare business would be WONDERFUL and would be a very LARGE step in making US manufacturers more competitive.


You are missing my point. I generally agree with you on the policy, but not you disagreement with Trump.

An example:

An agency is getting $10 billion for some nonsense program. You and I both agree it is nonsense and should be eliminated.

If the president proposed cutting it to $5 billion you would disagree with him because he isn't cutting it to zero and I would say it a good step in the right direction.

It's a matter of tactics and what we count as a success.



Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:47 am to
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Jesus dude, I wish I had more than one downvote to give you.


Did you read the rest of the paragraph where I explain that "legal immigration" should have requirements of insurance purchases, employment, tax paying and gainful employment AND no welfare is available to non citizens?

Why would you be against a person who has a job, does not get welfare and pays taxes???
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:48 am to
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You are missing my point. I generally agree with you on the policy, but not you disagreement with Trump.

An example:

An agency is getting $10 billion for some nonsense program. You and I both agree it is nonsense and should be eliminated.

If the president proposed cutting it to $5 billion you would disagree with him because he isn't cutting it to zero and I would say it a good step in the right direction.

It's a matter of tactics and what we count as a success.


You are correct and I agree. But if it an expansion of government purchases it is wrong.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17288 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:28 am to
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Did you read the rest of the paragraph where I explain that "legal immigration" should have requirements of insurance purchases, employment, tax paying and gainful employment AND no welfare is available to non citizens?
If I understand your proposal correctly, you believe that anyone who meets the above requirements should be allowed to legally move to the US, with no restrictions whatsoever on the number of new immigrants. Even if that means, say, as much as 30 million a year (which, incidentally, represents roughly .005 of the rest of the world's population).

How is that 'conservative'?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:34 am to
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If I understand your proposal correctly, you believe that anyone who meets the above requirements should be allowed to legally move to the US, with no restrictions whatsoever on the number of new immigrants. Even if that means, say, as much as 30 million a year (which, incidentally, represents roughly .005 of the rest of the world's population).

How is that 'conservative'?


How is it not?

Can you imagine how much big our economy would be if there were 30 million jobs for immigrants?

Why would any conservative be against working people who pay their way and pay taxes??

Isn't the argument against the illegals here now their cost to welfare? I eliminated that.

Look with my requirement the number of immigrants coming here will go down "hugely". They can't even come unless they have an employer confirm their employment and they prevent they will be covered by health insurance while here and have secured an unsubsidized place to live. Do you think even 1% of the immigrants today can do that?

Is your oppositions simply because you do not want some race of people or something?
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14491 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:36 am to
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Look with my requirement the number of immigrants coming here will go down "hugely". They can't even come unless they have an employer confirm their employment and they prevent they will be covered by health insurance while here and have secured an unsubsidized place to live. Do you think even 1% of the immigrants today can do that?


People are glossing over this part
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67070 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:36 am to
With a FAIR Tax, no welfare, no War onDrugs, and no minimum wage, there is no reason to limit immigration. The invisible hand of the market will take care of the problem.
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