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Things I disagree with Trump over----and every conservative should

Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:51 pm
First off Trump is not a conservative. His goals are not really smaller government.

Here are some things I disagree with him based on what I have read.

1) government purchasing of prescription drugs---he said last week the government should be more active in negotiating drug prices for medicare and medicaid. I disagree. It is the government purchasing of these drugs that have driven the prices up over the years. The changes need to be FAR more extreme for the good of us all. The government should get out of the direct purchasing of healthcare and should instead simply subsidize the purchase of healthcare by individuals. Voucher if you will. It works for the GI bill. It works albeit too much for food stamps. It will work for healthcare. (Imagine what food would cost if the government bought half of it for us.)

2) Trade--I hope I am wrong here. I remember Ron Paul missives on NAFTA and he is exactly right--NAFTA is not free trade. Trump has talked a lot about tariffs and NAFTA. If his goal is lower tariffs and the end of NAFTA I am all for it. But if his goal is to simply prop up inefficient US companies I am not for it. We should reduce regulation and taxes so that our companies are more competitive and to the end that Trump is for that so am I for Trump.

3) Immigration--I am ok with building the wall and enforcing current law BUT I am not for limiting immigration. I am for unlimited legal immigration. I am for outlawing welfare for non citizens. We should know who is here and we should require them to be properly insured and paying taxes. If legal immigration says you have to have a job and you have to care for yourself by having health insurance and buying your own food and housing then I am all for unlimited immigration.

4) military spending--I am tired of the military complex. Let's defend ourselves and build a budget that does just that. Hopefully he will get us out of this endless war that Bush, Obama and Hillary supported.

Now things that I am very optimistic about

1) big government is inherently corrupt and Trump knows this. I feel he is going to be looking at who profits and who loses on government action and will act accordingly. I don't think he seeks to profit from his time in office.

2) he is right to question NATO.

3) he is right on school choice and I think DeVos may have been his most important appointment. If we can move to universal school choice it will be wonderful.

4) he is right to challenge republicans and the democrats

5) he is right to lower taxes and should do it ASAP.

6) he will make good supreme court nominees I think
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 10:26 am
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:54 pm to
You aren't a conservative IB

Never have been
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
18798 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

big government is inherently corrupt and Trump knows this


so, the more people that are in gov't jobs, the more corrupt the gov't is? this makes no sense. none at all. judging by history, and common sense, one would say that the fewer people that hold power the MORE corrupt the gov't is likely to be.
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:02 pm to
This is Cato Institute stuff.

If all this country is to you is a FREE MARKET then I don't know how you can call yourself a Conservative.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:03 pm to
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so, the more people that are in gov't jobs, the more corrupt the gov't is?


Yes and it has proven to be true time and time again.

Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:04 pm to
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4) military spending--I am tired of the military complex. Let's defend ourselves and build a budget that does just that. Hopefully he will get us out of this endless war that Bush, Obama and Hillary supported.


Our economic policies require us to be in military control of the middle east.

This is an element of our existence that people just aren't aware of. They need to be.

Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:04 pm to
I challenge anyone to match my conservative credentials.

Point to any single post of mine you do not think is for smaller government, less government power and individual freedom.

Put up or shut up Perfect.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:05 pm to
And any human should be against building a wall across an entire countries border.

"The Wall" should remain a campaign metaphor for putting a stop to illegal immigration.
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 2:08 pm
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:07 pm to
quote:


Point to any single post of mine you do not think is for smaller government, less government power and individual freedom.


What's funny is these exact same things can be found on the other side of the spectrum in the form of anarchist/libertarian/democratic socialism.

The concept that has been hidden and smeared for purpose of keeping people from buying into it.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126918 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:07 pm to
You likely made some good points in your OP but there is no fricking way I'm going to read that wall of text.
Posted by Jrv2damac
Kanorado
Member since Mar 2004
64942 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

so, the more people that are in gov't jobs, the more corrupt the gov't is? this makes no sense. none at all. judging by history, and common sense, one would say that the fewer people that hold power the MORE corrupt the gov't is likely to be.


So as long as the government has more departments that manage to reach into almost every aspect of daily living, it's better? Huh? Who's side are you really on?


Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:08 pm to
quote:


If all this country is to you is a FREE MARKET then I don't know how you can call yourself a Conservative.


explain that---you want government control of the economy and industry???

We absolutely should be champions of free markets and we SHOULD expect our trading partners to be too. That said we can't complain about China subsidizing steel while we subsidize corn.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28086 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

This is Cato Institute stuff.

If all this country is to you is a FREE MARKET then I don't know how you can call yourself a Conservative.


I don't agree with everything in the OP, but you shouldn't fancy yourself a conservative or the arbiter of what is and isn't conservatism. Merely being anti-Semitic and protectionist (the two issues you have been most vocal about on here) isn't congruent with being conservative in the Buckley sense.
Posted by RTRinTampa
Central FL
Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

I am for unlimited legal immigration.


Hmmm ... this doesn't mean what you think it means. You are advocating unlimited entry VISAs from any country.
Posted by will0637
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2006
410 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:10 pm to
Big Military = Big Government. Tax payer funded. I am all for Military R&D as well as all kinds of R&D. R&D drives where we stand in the world of technology and business. Just having a big Military is normally a waste of money and lives. We need more scientists, engineers, doctors, etc not grunts
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 2:11 pm
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

Things I disagree with Trump over----and every conservative should


You're right...anyone would have been better than Trump. maybe we can still get Hillary?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

Our economic policies require us to be in military control of the middle east.



that is not true and frankly never has been true.

That oil would get to market without us.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:14 pm to
quote:


that is not true and frankly never has been true.

That oil would get to market without us.


You're not understanding the petrodollar, among other things.

Our global presence and foothold in the middle east allows us to demand other countries buy/sell oil with US Dollars.

It also is a huge part of us being the leading global reserve currency.


Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:14 pm to
quote:


Hmmm ... this doesn't mean what you think it means. You are advocating unlimited entry VISAs from any countr


That is correct so long as we know who they are and if they are a threat, are coming for a job, and have proven they will care for themselves in terms of food, housing and healthcare.

It does not mean citizenship.

Ending welfare to non citizens will dramatically reduce illegal immigration.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:16 pm to
I am waiting MrPerfect.

I think perhaps you are the shallowest poster on TD. Are you capable of backing up your statement or not?
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