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re: The real reason Muhammad Ali refused the draft
Posted on 5/10/17 at 5:30 pm to Robin Masters
Posted on 5/10/17 at 5:30 pm to Robin Masters
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I can't imagine the courage it must have taken for a black man at that time to even have an opinion much less be outspoken as a worldwide figure while holding a very unpopular opinion.
Men like Ali, X and King are simply on another level and should be treated with reverence.
Meh, they should be treated with no more reverence than the white people who supported their right to hold their beliefs.
Remember, Malcom X was assassinated by a black man because when Malcom went to Mecca and saw so many Muslims of all races including the White race, he changed his mind and no longer believed the White man was the devil.
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 5:33 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Remember, Malcom X was assassinated by a black man because when Malcom went to Mecca and saw so many Muslims of all races including the White race, he changed his mind and no longer believed the White man was the devil.
And? What does that have to do with X?
Posted on 5/10/17 at 5:50 pm to northshorebamaman
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Not directed at you because I know you were an old school San Francisco hippie, but I don't think I've ever met a member of your generation that didn't go to Woodstock.
I am from New York and I didn't move to SF until 1972 but I lived in Georgia during the Summer of Love (1967) and my brother and I opened the second Head Shop in the state of Georgia called The Looking Glass.
The first Head Shop in the state of Georgia was in Atlanta and it was called The Middle Earth and was on 8th street just one block from Piedmont Park. In those days all the hippies lived on one block and hung out in Piedmont Park.
In fact, Keith Strickland and Ricky Wilson of The B-52s met each other in The Looking Glass when they were both attending Athens High School and Keith recently told me the music we played in The Looking Glass especially the album entitled, "The Zodiac" greatly influenced the band's style of music when the band formed in 1976.
My brother and I are very proud of the fact that we inadvertently helped The B-52s develop their unique sound.
I guess you can say I was an old school Georgia hippie from New York.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 5:59 pm to Robin Masters
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Remember, Malcom X was assassinated by a black man because when Malcom went to Mecca and saw so many Muslims of all races including the White race, he changed his mind and no longer believed the White man was the devil.
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And? What does that have to do with X?
It's the reason he is no longer alive.
If Malcom X hadn't been assassinated by a black man then he would have been a great influence on black people and maybe today we wouldn't be having all the problems we are having with those black people who believe the White man is the devil.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:02 pm to RonLaFlamme
frick the Vietnam war.
Has history proven any war in U.S. history to be more worthless?
I can understand him being criticized at the time, due to misguided patriotic fervor, but in hindsight?
He should be lauded.
Did I say, frick the Vietnam war? If not, frick it.
Has history proven any war in U.S. history to be more worthless?
I can understand him being criticized at the time, due to misguided patriotic fervor, but in hindsight?
He should be lauded.
Did I say, frick the Vietnam war? If not, frick it.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:03 pm to The Spleen
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Let's keep vilifying a guy that refused to fight in an unjust and immoral war, while the guy responsible for a lot of the carnage in Vietnam(Henry Kissinger) spent time in the Oval Office today.
Well Kissinger wasnt a black guy who took a muslim name. That's two strikes on this board
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:04 pm to pvilleguru
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I would have avoided the draft as well.
So your a traitor and a vagina.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:07 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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So your a traitor and a pussy.
You apparently don't know what either of these things mean.
I wouldn't have avoided the draft at the time, but knowing what we now know, I certainly would. Anyone that wouldn't is a moron.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:10 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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So your a traitor and a vagina.
You're illterate and an idiot. Vaginas are awesome.
Btw, Trump also dodged the draft
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:19 pm to Ebbandflow
I would love to see the pulled goins and hamstring injuries leading up to a Trump war draft. You folks...
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:21 pm to luckylefty
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would love to see the pulled goins and hamstring injuries leading up to a Trump war draft. You folks...
I would just find out what Trump did and copy it
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:25 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Did I say, frick the Vietnam war? If not, frick it.
That reminds me of the urban legend that some people avoided the draft by having "frick the war" tattooed on the side of their right hand so if they were drafted then every time they had to salute an officer the officer would see "frick the war".
Posted on 5/10/17 at 8:03 pm to KiwiHead
Elija Muhammad, aka Elija Poole, born and partially raised in Sandersville, Washington County, Georgia. Now there is an interesting place. My high school team started playing WACO in 1970, the year of total school integration in most of the deep South. Man, that was a scary place to go play back then; not because they were good, but because you had the feeling that ANYTHING could happen at anytime.
Later on, the racial situation calmed down there, and their football team might have been the best bunch I've seen in the state of Georgia.
Later on, the racial situation calmed down there, and their football team might have been the best bunch I've seen in the state of Georgia.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 8:19 pm to REG861
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So he didn't want to go die in a stupid war. Good for him. You apparently think 58k dead Americans was a better alternative to refusing to be drafted.
You're wrong about what I think.
I would explain why, but I would just be wasting time on a fricking moron like you.
By his refusal he left an open spot another man had to fill. frick him. Coward.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 8:21 pm to DawgfaninCa
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As soon as Ali became a Black Muslim he was shite in my eyes.
Exactly.
Black Muslims should be shunned and disgraced no less than KKK members.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 8:25 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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wouldn't have avoided the draft at the time, but knowing what we now know, I certainly would. Anyone that wouldn't is a moron.
This. I have 3 family members who served and dodged and got "lucky".
1. Dad. He "dodged" by staying in drafting school for an extra year despite knowing he had zero interest in drafting anymore. He gave up despite the teacher saying "just sign up, you don't have to do shite". He entered the draft and got snapped up. Fortunately, I guess, by then they needed a shite load of corpsman in a hospital in Japan. Dad got fat and learned to smoke and drink sake'.
2. Grandpa. He went for WW2. During basic training he got a fricking ingrown toenail. Between marching and boots his toe got nasty. The army doc who extracted the toenail fricked it up so bad he got a medical discharge. He was headed to the pacific. Made it to somewhere in California and sent back with his toe that was NASTY until the day he died.
3. Uncle on Moms side. He was an MP in San Antonio during Vietnam. He and his MP partner worked for over 6 months. Helped out the right sergeant who was an alcoholic that they helped get home after MANY nights shitfaced. DUI wasn't a thing then. Anyway this guy was in personnel or whatever the term is for the guy who processed guys to go to Vietnam back then. He asks my uncle and his friend one night when they are all off duty and drinking, "it's getting time. Do you guys want to go?" This was probably 68 so it was already shitty and anti war sentiment was in swing. My uncle and his friend say "hell no!" Papers go back to the bottom of the pile. Was long enough to keep them in San Antonio until their time was up.
So much dumb luck involved in me and my cousins being on the planet.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:22 pm to SavageOrangeJug
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By his refusal he left an open spot another man had to fill. frick him. Coward.
Maybe you should blame the politicians sending those kids over there to die pointlessly, but I see you're one of those 'do everything the government tells me' kind of conservatives.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:34 pm to DawgfaninCa
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just pretending to be this stupid?
Sea serpents brah,
Sea serpents.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:35 pm to REG861
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Maybe you should blame the politicians sending those kids over there to die pointlessly, but I see you're one of those 'do everything the government tells me' kind of conservatives.
Not to get into your two-way, but just for shits and giggles. If a required draft were instituted now as a citizenship requirement, a lot of things would improve.
Conservatives aren't always right and we admit it, but when is the last time a liberal leftist was willing to compromise?
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:36 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Did I say, frick the Vietnam war? If not, frick it.
Can't say I blame him...
as Ali said: "Ain't no Viet Cong ever called me ni**er"
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