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re: The real reason Muhammad Ali refused the draft

Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:53 am to
Posted by RonLaFlamme
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:53 am to
The article specifically mentions that.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:53 am to
Different era.

Different time.

Different war.

Different Muslims.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54230 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:55 am to
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I have no idea what this means.


A deferment back in those days. Flat feet, asthma, school deferments. Those kinds of things.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:01 pm to
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I couldn't care less. I would have avoided the draft as well


Vietnam was a crappy war fought in a crappy place and fought in a crappy manner. Perhaps the MOST useless war the U.S. has ever fought save the Spanish American War
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:01 pm to
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You got to explain that one seeing as to how he wasn't in power until '73



He was Nixon's NSA from 68-73. He was instrumental in the bombings in Cambodia, which many experts feel was a war crime.
Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:03 pm to
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I interpret your post to mean you agree with me.

Am I correct?

sort of, but replace "Black Muslim" with "Religious"

if you need a higher power to validate your existence, you're probably a sheep
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27725 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:05 pm to
Although I think the war was stupid , from a purely military point of view, bombing the supply lines and supply/ ammo dumps in Cambodia that an enemy is using to resupply those that are fighting you is not only a good idea, it's sound military strategy....not doing that is malfeasance
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:06 pm to
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The truth, though hard to make out under the thick moss of mythology, is that Ali refused induction not out of principle but from fear of disobeying Elijah Muhammad, who had stipulated that the champ not serve in a “white man’s war.”



What's the problem? Vietnam was totally a bullshite war and any reason to avoid it was legit and admirable, including the belief that the Spaghetti Monster approves of the way that Vietnamese boil their rice noodles and so to attack them would be to attack the Holy Pasta himself.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 12:07 pm
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:10 pm to
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A deferment back in those days. Flat feet, asthma, school deferments. Those kinds of things.




Or a cowards way out if Daddy went to the draft board. Amazing Trump was still able to play tennis but couldnt go to Vietnam. I bet he played through a lot of pain.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35661 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:10 pm to
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What if everyone refused to participate in war?



Do you mean "Supposed they had a war and nobody came?"

Well, you are in a dream world if you think that will ever happen.

For sure.

There will always be sheople to do the dirtywork.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:11 pm to
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Although I think the war was stupid , from a purely military point of view, bombing the supply lines and supply/ ammo dumps in Cambodia that an enemy is using to resupply those that are fighting you is not only a good idea, it's sound military strategy....not doing that is malfeasance





Come one. They hid it from Congress, we still don't know how many civilians it killed(anywhere from 150,000-500,000), and it lead to the rise of Khmer Rouge.

Bombing innocent civilians is never a sound military strategy.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36442 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:13 pm to
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quote:
 Ali refused induction not out of principle but from fear 

Exactly.




So he didn't want to go die in a stupid war. Good for him. You apparently think 58k dead Americans was a better alternative to refusing to be drafted.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35661 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:15 pm to
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What if everyone refused to participate in war?



Take a wild guess.


No, I want you to take a wild guess.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54230 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:16 pm to
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I want you to take a wild guess.


No problem. We would cease to exist as the USA as we know/knew it. You disagree?
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:18 pm to
For not fighting in Vietnam?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101664 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:18 pm to
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There will always be sheople to do the dirtywork.


Is this like your "stand" on income taxes, where the "sheople" should all stop paying, but you still do because you haven't been able to convince anyone else to join in on your "stand"? That's badass!
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35661 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:19 pm to
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Different Muslims.


But the geniuses on this board have convinced me that these Muslims have been doing the same thing for thousands of years and that each one wants to chop off my head.

I hope you aren't insinuating that my friends here on the poliboard are morons?
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35661 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:23 pm to
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There will always be sheople to do the dirtywork.



Is this like your "stand" on income taxes, where the "sheople" should all stop paying, but you still do because you haven't been able to convince anyone else to join in on your "stand"? That's badass!


Not sure your point here. You happily take it up the arse to make sure I do too? Is that it? That's badass!
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 12:28 pm
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35661 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:24 pm to
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I want you to take a wild guess.



No problem. We would cease to exist as the USA as we know/knew it. You disagree?


Well, when I said "everyone" I meant "everyone" not just people here.
Posted by AU_Right
Member since Oct 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:25 pm to
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As soon as Ali became a Black Muslim he was shite in my eyes

Always loved they story of Ali meeting the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show around a fight back in the 60's. Ali told them when they confronted each other, "y'all aren't as dumb as you look"...Lennon responds with, " No, but you are". Of course if Lennon were still alive, I'm sure He would be unbearable.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 12:26 pm
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