re: The Left Is Brainwashing Youth Into Thinking Unions Are Good For Them

As a Conservative, this is spot on. Lots of RINO’s in this thread. There’s a huge split between us older and the younger Conservatives. Work hard and you can move up the chain and live the American Dream.

Has to be a joke. They aren’t concerned that the Far Radical Left wants to abort babies and teach Transgenderism in our schools. These youngsters are focused on Unions. Unreal.

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I am shocked at all the upvotes that are pro-union.

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Socialism creeping to the right, as the left is too batshit crazy for them.

Collectivism vs individualism is the battle. These guys are on the wrong side.

Unions are good for the bottom earners who value security over anything else. Not so good for society. Exceptions are trade unions (construction, where people are hired from the union hall)

Capitalism has been the best system ever developed. The Free Market has always been fair. No one wants to pull themselves up by the bootstraps anymore.

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As a Conservative, this is spot on. Lots of RINO’s in this thread. There’s a huge split between us older and the younger Conservatives. Work hard and you can move up the chain and live the American Dream.

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Many people used to think that. Until corporate raiders came in to being. You - the human being - are nothing to these accountants. Their attitude is hard work is for suckers.

Unchecked capitalism is dangerous. The bottom line becomes money and nothing else. If you treat employees with lives away from work that way, don’t be surprised they push back. My soul purpose in life ain’t work.

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The cost of goods is going crazy and wages aren’t rising. The climate is ripe for union talk and expansion.

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I hate unions more than most anyone, but this is true. When CEO pay is skyrocketing and worker pay is effectively shrinking due to inflation you get this.

There quite a few historical examples of what happens when the masses get fed up with being treated like shite by their overly greedy ruling class. And it’s not pretty. Companies need to pay people better. Or just rip the bandaid off and go full AI/robots putting people on UBI.

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Covid hit and we were short and I did 2/3 people’s job bc we were short for months. No extra compensation. No union. Go talk to boss? Yeah right. They don’t give a shite. I quit and was one of only 2 employees out of 10 that had been there over 2 years. Turnover was unreal. They ran off a good employee bc they were idiots. People working there now say it is even worse. Dumbasses.

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1. Did the company suffer a loss of revenue during that period? if so, why would you expect them to be able to give you extra compensation? This is the most common thing I see from those with employee mentality:

"O.k., I did a good job, and I've been here for two years. Time for me to get a raise."

"You did do a good job and you have been here two years. However, the company isn't making more money. In fact, during that two year period we're down 4%. So I don't have any additional money to give you a raise with."

"But I deserve a raise!"

"Yeah, you probably do, but I. DON'T. HAVE. THE. MONEY. TO. GIVE. YOU. ONE."

"Dumbasses! I quit!" (quits job to take another one for a year or two until some other unreasonable grievance stimulates the same cycle over again.)

Employees somehow think that money can be harvested from a Money Tree somewhere when employees deserve it and if employers don't give them what they think they deserve it's because they choose not to.

I've had department heads give me the above narrative when asking for raises for members of their team whom they think "deserve" raises and I will ask them, "Given that we don't have any additional funds to give these raises, that means the money is going to have to come out of someone's pocket who is already working here. Are you willing for me to take some of your salary and redistribute it so that Sam and Joe can have a raise?" (As you might have guessed, the answer is always no.)

So my response is, "Yeah, I understand, because neither am I. So how do we accomplish what you're asking me to do? Is there someone else you have in mind that we should reduce pay for or fire so that they can have the raise?"

They still don't get it, which means they refuse to get it. It's not a difficult concept. If the money's not there, you can't pay it.

2. You seem to be implying that I said that people should go talk to their boss in situations in which they feel like they are not treated fairly. I never said that. The boss doesn't have a money tree either.

3. "Turnover was unreal." Turnover is unreal everythwere post-COVID. That doesn't mean anything anymore.

4. Overall, they might be idiots and the turnover might be because they are mismanaging the business. It's just as likely IME that you are the dumbass and that the turnover is a result of the new entitlement mentality that employees have these days (employees have always complained about their jobs, but the new mentality is that employees don't just complain but keep working...now as soon as they come up against something they don't like—which is not a matter of 'if,' but only a matter of 'when'—they quit.). And I'm not trying to insult you, the point is that this is an anonymous message board where you can post anything you want without me having the ability to independently verify, and I can't tell much with just the information you provided.

I will say that another blind spot that employees have that they do not seem either willing or capable of understanding is that if you worked there for two years and the company didn't profit more while you were there as a result of your efforts and they were able to replace you with someone else after you left while also not seeing profits fall, then you were not nearly as valuable as you think you were. The, "Hey, I've worked here for two years and need my raise now," people don't understand that if they had done something worthy of being paid more than they originally agreed to work for then the company would likely have more money now and could afford to share some of the extra with the employee. The fact that they don't (all other things being equal) means that the employee didn't make much of an impact. So what exactly is the raise supposed to be for?

You're worth what you contribute to make the company profitable. If you haven't helped make the company more profitable, why do you deserve more money than you originally agreed to?

I know the answer in your case is that you did additional work that you didn't originally agree to do during a crisis, and if that enabled the company to not lose as much money as they otherwise would have, then I agree with you that you did deserve more. But I disagree with you that the company could necessarily pay what you deserved. I don't have enough information to say that for sure.

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surely when inflation reduces in the future prices will drop accordingly, right?

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100%

I became a slight fan of unions when they began to tell the executives to frick off with the forced Covid shots.