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re: The FDA Has Declared a "War on Beer"
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:59 pm to AUin02
Posted on 3/29/14 at 1:59 pm to AUin02
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Hops are known to be bad for dogs.
Aside for the process flow...there is another point:
Part of the reason why its bad for dogs is the fact that they really should be eating vegetative matter to start with. They are carnivores, not omnivores like humans.
There is evidence of it being helpful for cows.
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Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Under new rules proposed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, breweries would be required to dry and package spent grain before it could be given or sold to farmers to use as feed
Typical, drying grain is extremely inefficient and energy intensive and producing packaging will deplete our limited natural resources. Oh yea, then we will have to dispose of the packaging... I like this a lot
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:02 pm to upgrayedd
If I had to speculate, the FDA probably believes that some micobiological pathogen (fungal or bacterial) will grow on the spent grain from the time the grain leaves the mash tun to the pig farm. One of the best ways to ensure that pathogens cannot grow is to remove the moisture form the grain. They are probably worried that any potential pathogen from the grain can get into a pork food source.
I don't have the data to back it up but this is highly likely and an unfounded worry. The reason there should be no worries, 1. there has been no link of pathogenic contamination from spent grain to the supermarket and 2. when the spent grain leaves the mash tun it is sterilized, therefore if the grain becomes contaminated it going to get contaminated from the brewery to the pig farm.
If the FDA were reasonable, they would make a rule stating that you have 24 hours to get the grain to the pig farm otherwise you'll have to dry it or throw it in the garbage because microbiological contamination probability and growth increases with time.
I don't have the data to back it up but this is highly likely and an unfounded worry. The reason there should be no worries, 1. there has been no link of pathogenic contamination from spent grain to the supermarket and 2. when the spent grain leaves the mash tun it is sterilized, therefore if the grain becomes contaminated it going to get contaminated from the brewery to the pig farm.
If the FDA were reasonable, they would make a rule stating that you have 24 hours to get the grain to the pig farm otherwise you'll have to dry it or throw it in the garbage because microbiological contamination probability and growth increases with time.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:03 pm to rds dc
that's why i'm waiting for the environmentalists and pro-organics to freak out
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:05 pm to AUin02
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Derp. I assumed they were talking about the leftovers from fermentation for some reason. I'll show myself out
No biggie.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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would pose a big financial burden and also just generally makes no sense.
That description applies to most things the government does.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
There is another reasonable solution; the spent grain can be treated with an antimicrobial to quell contaminations.
But again, this is speculation because we do not know the WHY to the FDA's reasoning.
But again, this is speculation because we do not know the WHY to the FDA's reasoning.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
Administrative regulations of FedGov traditionally are Unconstitutional if they are "arbitrary and capricious".
Have we also abandoned that constraint of FedGov power? We've abandoned so many . . . it's tough to keep track of them.
Have we also abandoned that constraint of FedGov power? We've abandoned so many . . . it's tough to keep track of them.
This post was edited on 3/29/14 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:12 pm to Volvagia
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Part of the reason why its bad for dogs is the fact that they really should be eating vegetative matter to start with. They are carnivores, not omnivores like humans.
My dogs always nibble on the grain spillage when I make a batch.
Malted grains smell delicious.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
Oh no. Obama may have to find another peace maker.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:36 pm to Paluka
Local brewery sends spent grains South for farmers to use, we used to get them for our plots when we used the community garden.
They've found a new used for them though, producing more beer. Bet it catches on before long.
LINK
They've found a new used for them though, producing more beer. Bet it catches on before long.
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It’s the circle of life at its finest: using beer to generate electricity, and then using that electricity to brew more beer.
The Alaskan Brewing Company in Juneau, has hit upon a clever recycling plan. The brewery installed a $1.8 million boiler last year that takes the mashed-up, waterlogged grain – the primary waste product from its brewing operations – and uses it to create steam in order to keep its kettles cooking.
The newly-created steam is then used to boil the wort, the malted barley mixture created before fermentation. And in the recycling process, the spent grain is also dried out, making it lighter to ship away from the brewery. ( Used grain is the brewing company’s biggest waste products, since it’s unusable to the brewery.)
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Brewers across the world ship their grain to farms for use as animal feed, but there’s not a large market for it in Alaska, given the state’s small agricultural industry. What’s more, Alaska’s capital is only accessible via sea or air, making it prohibitively expensive to ship the spent grain out of town. “We had to be a little more innovative just so that we could do what we love to do, but do it where we’re located,” Alaskan Brewing co-founder Geoff Larson told the Associated Press.
Installed thanks in part to a grant of nearly $500,000 from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the boiler is too new for the brewery to yet realize the financial benefits. But plant manager Curtis Holmes tells the Anchorage Daily News that the new installation is expected to cut its fuel consumption by as much as 70 percent and save $1.5 million in fuel costs over the next 10 years.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
Distillers grains have been used in feed for a long time.
I'm curious as to what the FDA will be testing it for.
This shite is just infuriating.
I'll come up with a coherent response later.
I'm curious as to what the FDA will be testing it for.
This shite is just infuriating.
I'll come up with a coherent response later.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Is your title intentionally misleading?
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:49 pm to FalseProphet
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
I brew my own beer so it doesn't hit my pocket. Sucks for people who have to buy it off the shelf.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 3:11 pm to Volvagia
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Part of the reason why its bad for dogs is the fact that they really should be eating vegetative matter to start with. They are carnivores, not omnivores like humans.
Nope. Veggies are good for dogs. Onions are bad. So are nuts, raisins and grapes. But steamed green beans, peas, bread, rice and pasta are good for dogs. Raw carrots are especially good for cleaning their teeth.
When you buy a bag of dog food, very little of it is meat.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 3:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
Regulation on alcohol?
The hell you say?? I'm going to go eat some alcoholic ice cream.
The hell you say?? I'm going to go eat some alcoholic ice cream.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 3:46 pm to Zach
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This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 11:47 am
Posted on 3/29/14 at 4:24 pm to Volvagia
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why its bad for dogs is the fact that they really should be eating vegetative matter to start with. They are carnivores
This is a little puzzling. Did you leave out a "not" in there.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 7:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
From my cold dead hands..
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