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re: The 265 members of Congress who sold you out to ISPs, and how much it cost to buy them
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:26 am to Taxing Authority
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:26 am to Taxing Authority
What? You didn't actually make a point.
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:27 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
First off, I hope you aren't paying $200/mo for a personal connection.
First off, who the frick are you to say that?
Seriously, it's no longer absurd for a household to get services with those speeds depending on the individual needs, as fringe as those needs might be.
What if the person lives in a household with 5+ tech savvy members and works from home with requires moving lots of data around.
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Second, if you think the service is not worth the cost, set up your own ISP. Simple as that.
Straw man.
It's not saying ISPs aren't worth the cost. It's saying they are fairly compensated without the cash cow they are trying to crack.
How'd you feel if you started receiving spam in the mail based on browser history? What if your young child saw excpicit mail for strip clubs because her older brother wasn't careful when getting his porn fix?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:30 am to Volvagia
What happens when my wife discovers my Brazilian Fart Porn Fetish?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:33 am to NC_Tigah
What are you so confused about.
Tor, which you are keep bringing up as the "simple" solution, has a host of security problems with it as well.
Even Tor flat out gives instructions to never give out personal information on web forms that pass through their networks.
On top of that, a fair number of sites and services refuse to work with Tor.
I guess it's not the "simple" solution you keep trying to reduce this situation to.....
The only "safe" solution to this problem is to buy a subscription service with an organization with a clear ISP and VPN into it.
Tor, which you are keep bringing up as the "simple" solution, has a host of security problems with it as well.
Even Tor flat out gives instructions to never give out personal information on web forms that pass through their networks.
On top of that, a fair number of sites and services refuse to work with Tor.
I guess it's not the "simple" solution you keep trying to reduce this situation to.....
The only "safe" solution to this problem is to buy a subscription service with an organization with a clear ISP and VPN into it.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 9:36 am
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:36 am to Damone
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No clue why everyone isn't already using a VPN and browsing on Tor.
I do believe this will be the "market" response. Software engineers will simply develop programs that will allow you to hide your information from your ISP and those who care about staying hidden will use it.
It would also be nice to see ISPs actively promote privacy and use it as a selling point. However, this is a problem given the limited number of ISPs available.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:38 am to Taxing Authority
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The planet is a big place if it's so important to you.
you are a bitch on the biggest level of douchery
once again, I am actually happy with my ISP - I also have no kids, make a whole lot of money, and can go anywhere I want, anytime I want. I also work in a business that is taking over a lot of jobs, and only gaining traction.
But frick you with this straw-man "you can always move somewhere else" bullshite.
A) not every has the choice to just "move wherever" - and usually if you move to a cheaper place (most people would have to since you are moving for something as goddamn stupid as ISP) - there is going to be even LESS options for you on internet
B) Just because you "move somewhere else" - the likelihood is that you are moving to a place that is JUST as locked down by a local ISP - who could be even worst than the last one
C) frick you count, I hope you enjoy the big D from your corporate overlords every night
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:39 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
Software engineers will simply develop programs that will allow you to hide your information from your ISP and those who care about staying hidden will use it.
Insert ISPs requiring installation of a "security suite" that has a SuperFish style rider
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:40 am to Antonio Moss
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It would also be nice to see ISPs actively promote privacy and use it as a selling point.
"For an extra $45 a month, we WONT sell your data to 3rd parties!!!"
I can see it now
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:43 am to BaddestAndvari
quote:You seem intelligent.
you are a bitch on the biggest level of douchery
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 9:47 am
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:44 am to iPadThai
I will say this though, I am proud of Mitch McConnell....if you are going to sell out, at least get a quarter of a million dollars.....don't lowball yourself like John Kennedy did or accept a mere 40-50K like some of the others....go big or go home.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:45 am to jeff5891
Tattooed across their foreheads.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:A lot of people gave a shite, it just took a long time for the general public and the government to give a shite.
this argument against this move would make me care more if it didn't just change things back to the way things worked before 2015
life went on and nobody gave a shite before the FCC took over control of this area
Lots of people have been fighting for online privacy for a long time. It's only now becoming a bigger issue because technology has made it so. The costs to store and analyze the data have come down, while simultaneously the data has become more valuable because the power is cheap and available to analyze it and target individuals. Useful data has always been valuable, but the vast amounts of raw data that pass through ISPs can now be cheaply made useful. It is becoming an economically viable product.
Again, a lot of people saw it coming. Now the day is here, and some people don't want to do anything about it.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:48 am to NC_Tigah
Monitor, Manipulate, and Monetize. Lot more than what you think.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:58 am to BaddestAndvari
quote:I can too. And I can see almost no one buying it. Just a guess. Who would pay $10/mo for Fb if they didn't sell your data?
"For an extra $45 a month, we WONT sell your data to 3rd parties!!!"
I can see it now
It does beg the question, though. It your "privacy" isn't worth $15/mo to you, why should it be worth $15/mo to your ISP?
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 9:59 am
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:59 am to NC_Tigah
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So you think Google should have an exclusive to those rights?
You can opt out and still use the internet
Can you say the same for ISPs?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 10:03 am to MontyFranklyn
Monty.....Monty..... Monty.....
What's the difference between a streetwalker who performs fellatio for 30.00 and a politician when it comes to taking corporate money?
The streetwalker is of a higher moral character
What's the difference between a streetwalker who performs fellatio for 30.00 and a politician when it comes to taking corporate money?
The streetwalker is of a higher moral character
Posted on 3/29/17 at 10:06 am to Volvagia
quote:The same frick who said if you aren't satisfied with your ISP, either change it, or create your own. (Since you've taken an obnoxious tack, I'll clarify in advance the latter suggestion is to get individuals knowledgeable as to what they are actually paying for.)
First off, who the frick are you to say that?
quote:Then the $200/mo is buying bandwidth far exceeding normal access. Cost would be a measure of capacity, not of basic access. OTOH, a 2Mbps policy goes for $15/mo.
Seriously, it's no longer absurd for a household to get services with those speeds depending on the individual needs, as fringe as those needs might be.
quote:
How'd you feel if you started receiving spam in the mail based on browser history?
You're a bright guy. Your question implies spam based on browsing history does not currently occur. Surely that is not deliberate.
quote:Meanwhile, Google is making a killing over what were virtually exclusive rights to the data we're discussing. Google took that money and began building a fiber network nationwide with eyes on becoming the dominate ISP nationally. As someone who abhors Google precisely for privacy concerns cited in the OP (as well as politics), I'm adverse to providing it with any competitive advantage.
It's not saying ISPs aren't worth the cost. It's saying they are fairly compensated
Posted on 3/29/17 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The question is do they have a right to create that history and use the data?
except the ISP's property is used to facilitate each of these choices, and a history is created on their property accordingly
Are you OK with your phone company recording all your calls? They already know who you called and when, but do you also want them to listen in?
When I use the internet, my data is just passing through my ISP. Why do they have a right to it? Because the signal traverses their property? That's ridiculous logic. If that were the case, I could intercept any signal traversing my property and call it mine. Radio, TV, satellite. All mine.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 10:10 am to NC_Tigah
Except unlike ISPs google hasn't gone and rammed through local and state regulations to make themselves a monopoly.
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