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re: The 265 members of Congress who sold you out to ISPs, and how much it cost to buy them
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:43 am to HubbaBubba
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:43 am to HubbaBubba
But in that case you ARE paying google for the service.
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:44 am to CorporateTiger
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Second since when have I needed to say anything about a property right in something that is mine?
but is it solely your's?
pretty sure by the very nature of how ISPs work, they have a much stronger argument it's their property than you can make that it's your's
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:46 am to ChineseBandit58
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enjoy the free crap that is given you for your entertainment -
do you know what ISP is? Because I don't think you do with this statement
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Look, I don't like the idea of my data being sold, but I don't pay anything to use Google.
WTF people?!?! You fricking PAY your ISP already - this can NOT be compared to Google in any fricking way - Google offers services to you for FREE - and pay for the "FREE" with your data - ISP's are already charging you an arm and a fricking leg for their service, drown out any competition so you have no choice, and NOW want to take all of the data they have on you and sell it to the highest bidder
What in the ever loving frick is wrong with you idiots?!
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
It's something I create. The history only generated by my browsing and my choices on where to go.
The ISP contributes nothing to this data's creation and only receives it incidentally.
Also if I could choose to avoid Comcast I would, but since so many ISPs have set themselves up monopolistic fiefdoms thanks to state and local legislatures, I have no choice.
The ISP contributes nothing to this data's creation and only receives it incidentally.
Also if I could choose to avoid Comcast I would, but since so many ISPs have set themselves up monopolistic fiefdoms thanks to state and local legislatures, I have no choice.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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this argument against this move would make me care more if it didn't just change things back to the way things worked before 2015
life went on and nobody gave a shite before the FCC took over control of this area
Exactly right.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:49 am to ChineseBandit58
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In the meantime, enjoy the free crap that is given you for your entertainment - and use it like you do your liquor - be reasonable in and responsible.
My ability to access the Internet is anything but free.
Also I don't have a wide range of competing providers to choose from, which is probably part of the reason why the FCC stuck their nose in.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:50 am to iPadThai
Damn John Kennedy only got a thousand bucks.
Pitiful
Pitiful
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:50 am to Volvagia
Which is one of the reasons net neutrality has to stay in place.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:53 am to CorporateTiger
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The history only generated by my browsing and my choices on where to go.
The ISP contributes nothing to this data's creation and only receives it incidentally.
except the ISP's property is used to facilitate each of these choices, and a history is created on their property accordingly
yes, the history that is on your computer/phone is certainly your property, but it's going to take a real fantastical argument to claim that the history that is on the property of the ISP isn't their property (and that's the property at issue, here)
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Also if I could choose to avoid Comcast I would, but since so many ISPs have set themselves up monopolistic fiefdoms thanks to state and local legislatures, I have no choice.
oh that's a different issue and i agree completely
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:54 am to iPadThai
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to reverse a landmark FCC privacy rule
That's been in effect for 2 months
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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pretty sure by the very nature of how ISPs work, they have a much stronger argument it's their property than you can make that it's your's
That's a reach IMO. And even if true, the monopolistic nature of ISPs kills it.
They don't get an inherent right to the data of consumers as a marketable commodity because they have a government enforced monolopy on it.
Also, people keep referring to Google. I'll need to dig deeper to be sure one way or another, but one possible difference is that Google is kept anonymous. The selling of this data likely isn't.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:58 am to CorporateTiger
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Which is one of the reasons net neutrality has to stay in place.
I feel like net neutrality didn't go far enough - I'm a HUGE proponent of private business and capitalism, but the way ISP's have taken over America... it's the worst of the worst sect of Capitalism - Monopoly Driven
Disclaimer: I am not a politician, so I have no clue what could be done to help small ISP startups with initial startup cost, or how to remove the non-compete areas that ISPs own... but there HAS to be a way
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:59 am to jeff5891
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Like breesus said, they should wear patches on their suits from the companies they accepted funds from
You wouldn't be able to see any cloth if that was the case.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's going to take a real fantastical argument to claim that the history that is on the property of the ISP isn't their property (and that's the property at issue, here)
I don't think it is a fantastical argument. We have set up mini-monopolies across the country that mean that giving away this data is essentially mandatory (insofar as you use the internet). A government restriction from allowing them to profit off of that is completely reasonable.
If I had the option to choose an ISP where my data is secure, I would, but without that free market Comcast should be prohibited from further profiting off of their monopoly.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:01 am to Volvagia
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but one possible difference is that Google is kept anonymous. The selling of this data likely isn't.
Google (Alphabet) doesn't sell your data - your data is their cash cow. They keep your data locked up better than the Federal Government - they will never let go of it
ETA: and by osmosis Amazon, who houses the servers for most of the websites you go to - will NEVER give up your data... it's their cash cow as well
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 9:03 am
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:01 am to Volvagia
Also I have complete freedom of choice in which sites I visit. If I don't like Google selling my data (which they do not), I could go to Bing or something smaller.
Not so for ISPs
Not so for ISPs
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 9:02 am
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:03 am to CorporateTiger
quote:Again, do you use Google? Because if you do, Google uses you.
It's something I create. The history only generated by my browsing and my choices on where to go.
quote:If that bothers you, simply change your browser to Tor.
The ISP contributes nothing to this data's creation and only receives it incidentally.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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except the ISP's property is used to facilitate each of these choices, and a history is created on their property accordingly
But it's property that you pay for. Quite heavily at times, and prices of cable companies have been arbitrarily been inflated to compensate for loss of TV revenue by cord cutters.
Would you be so sanguine if I told you that the federal government told all supermarkets in a given area that they were required to track purchases which is then used to determine your mandated to purchase health insurance premium?
That's far more "business sense" than this, and that is incredibly fricked up.
But you are using their logistical infrastructure and walking into their brick and mortar building, right? They have a property right to the data produced with it, correct?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:05 am to NC_Tigah
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Again, do you use Google? Because if you do, Google uses you.
do you pay google $60 - $200 a month?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:07 am to NC_Tigah
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Again, do you use Google? Because if you do, Google uses you.
I pay Google nothing and could choose to go other search engines if I wanted to do so. Not the same for ISPs
Also Google keeps their user data incredibly secure.
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If that bothers you, simply change your browser to Tor.
I probably will. Doesn't mean I should have to though.
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