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re: Texas AG sued to keep a Bible quote in school. Now he’s troubled by Muslim prayers.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:02 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:02 am to Roger Klarvin
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Prayer should be allowed over the PA at events. Extracurricular religious organizations should be allowed to meet. I think that at the high school level a basic world religions course or subject matter should be part of the social studies/history curriculum.
Hard pass on all of that.
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:05 am to RedRifle
Freedom is a bitch. Sometimes you just have to deal with things that make you uncomfortable.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:07 am to EmperorGout
Thats a solid meme. 
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:11 am to udtiger
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Well...one is the true religion, and the other is a tool of Satan.
And I'm sure Muslims say the same thing.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:13 am to AUsteriskPride
Then show you how certain they are by blowing you up.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:34 am to Gaspergou202
quote:He is Roger. It is what he does.
My, don't we swing a huge brush of religious intolerance!
And to the OP, if you do not make accommodations for all, then you have no place to complain. Would rather not have it at all in the school. It is an institution of the state.
You can now return to your regularly scheduled bashing of evangelical Christians.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 7:45 am
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:45 am to Roger Klarvin
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But the ability to peacefully practice any religion is a foundational principle of our society. That some religions are harder to peacefully practice is irrelevant.
Really? Mind telling us which one, because from what i have seen Christianity has been legislated out of the schools and you are defending Muslims praying in the schools.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:51 am to Roger Klarvin
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Nobody ever became a Muslim because they saw a classmate was praying to Allah.
You seem to be making a sweeping statement that can't possibly be proven.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:51 am to DawgsLife
quote:If I wanted to say a prayer to myself in school, I was free to do it.
Really? Mind telling us which one, because from what i have seen Christianity has been legislated out of the schools and you are defending Muslims praying in the schools.
I mean we even said the Our Father before football games, led by the players; although, I never understood why that was the go to prayer.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:53 am to RedRifle
"Muslims at Liberty High seemed to like it. “Takes like five minutes, instead of having to leave school, get in a car and go to my parents,” junior Sarah Qureshi told the school news site early this month. “This is the seventh year we’ve been doing this, and we’ve never had one issue,”
Well that puts the lie to the old meme that Arabs were better at mathematics and science than 'Mericans....7 years to get through a public high school in Texas is indicative of a serious learning disability....
Well that puts the lie to the old meme that Arabs were better at mathematics and science than 'Mericans....7 years to get through a public high school in Texas is indicative of a serious learning disability....
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:56 am to RedRifle
I haven't read the comments but my attitude on this has always been the same.
I don't care at all if a teacher expresses their religion. I don't care at all if students do. I don't even care if a student who wins an award talks about their religion during their speech.
All of that is free exercise to me and the constitution guarantees free exercise.
So, the students being allowed to go use a room to knock out their prayer? Meh. No big deal to me.
This seems to be another one of those things where the primary reason there's a problem is because we have gotten so fricking bad at distinguishing between ALLOWING something and SUPPORTING something.
And, people have totally fricked up "tolerance" into meaning "I shouldn't have to see shite I don't like"........which is really the fricking precise opposite of tolerance.
I don't care at all if a teacher expresses their religion. I don't care at all if students do. I don't even care if a student who wins an award talks about their religion during their speech.
All of that is free exercise to me and the constitution guarantees free exercise.
So, the students being allowed to go use a room to knock out their prayer? Meh. No big deal to me.
This seems to be another one of those things where the primary reason there's a problem is because we have gotten so fricking bad at distinguishing between ALLOWING something and SUPPORTING something.
And, people have totally fricked up "tolerance" into meaning "I shouldn't have to see shite I don't like"........which is really the fricking precise opposite of tolerance.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:59 am to OSqueal
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How about all religions out of school?
While I agree that no single religion should be promoted at a public school, I don't agree with the notion that there should be freedom from religion anywhere.
Religion is part of our culture. Some people want to denie that, but it's very apparent in many aspects of our society.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 8:00 am to buckeye_vol
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If I wanted to say a prayer to myself in school, I was free to do it.
And yet, teachers have been told to get their Bibles off their desks. Not because they were using them to evangelize students, but.....because.
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Meanwhile Muslim students are allowed to LEAVE CLASS to pray.
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This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 8:12 am
Posted on 3/20/17 at 8:02 am to buckeye_vol
quote:
I mean we even said the Our Father before football games, led by the players; although, I never understood why that was the go to prayer.
It's a simple prayer that everybody knows, I guess?
Posted on 3/20/17 at 8:04 am to DawgsLife
quote:As long as anybody else can leave class to pray then there isn't an issue. Of course, a Christian can pray without a single person knowing.
Meanwhile Muslim students are allowed to LEAVE CLASS to pray.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 8:18 am to buckeye_vol
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As long as anybody else can leave class to pray then there isn't an issue. Of course, a Christian can pray without a single person knowing.
But isn't that the point?
LINK schools do not allow Christian Clubs even when they meet after school.
And, when they are telling teachers they cannot have a Bible on their desk, even though they are not using the Bible to proselytize. How can you allow some to pray in the school with access to school rooms and not allow a teacher to have a personal Bible anywhere on their desks? My question would also be...are students allowed to have their Bibles at school? Or Koran? Or Torah? To allow one group to practice their religion at a school and restrict others seems....wrong?
Posted on 3/20/17 at 8:23 am to buckeye_vol
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As long as anybody else can leave class to pray then there isn't an issue. Of course, a Christian can pray without a single person knowing.
Since the Muslims are required to pray 5 times a day at certain hours, it would be an organized prayer time in the middle of the school day. I wonder if they would allow a Christians Club to leave class to have prayer in the middle of the day and provide them with a classroom? Probably not.
Prince George County High School Principal Cheryl J. Logan said the initiative is in response to the “needs of the growing Muslim community,”
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So, while schools are fighting Christians to practice their faith, they are making allowances for "the needs of a growing Muslim community"?
Posted on 3/20/17 at 8:24 am to DawgsLife
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they are telling teachers they cannot have a Bible on their desk
Good.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 8:25 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Explain
Good.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 8:27 am to DawgsLife
quote:Which is not the same as praying. A club is usually a school sponsored organization.
schools do not allow Christian Clubs even when they meet after school.
quote:And I would expect the Koran to be put away too.
And, when they are telling teachers they cannot have a Bible on their desk, even though they are not using the Bible to proselytize.
quote:Because the prayer is in a separate room so it's not clearly visible. The Bible is clearly visible, and the teacher works for the government. Students =/= as teachers.
How can you allow some to pray in the school with access to school rooms and not allow a teacher to have a personal Bible anywhere on their desks?
quote:Sure why not? I would think Tinker v. Des Moines would apply, and their actions are not disruptive.
are students allowed to have their Bibles at school? Or Koran? Or Torah?
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