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re: SPYING SCANDAL Obama WH accused of political intel operation
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:01 am to Navytiger74
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:01 am to Navytiger74
It's be "declared" a terrorist attack. What's your line of thinking Navy? Possibly we have some shared interests with Russia?
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Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:10 am to Covingtontiger77
Would someone please tell me - in plain English - the meaning of "unmasking" in the context of this situation. Who was unmasked and what is their relevance to the Trump presidency? Can we cut through the vagueness?
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:12 am to Navytiger74
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whether or not Obama "blew it" on the hacking. Looks like it's bitching from the Clinton team and others that he didn't highlight/go after the Russian activities aggressively enough during the campaign.
Looks like he went aggressive enough to be in some hot water. Doubt the Clinton team gives a shite about anyone else though.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:12 am to Covingtontiger77
Another big headline with no actual truth or substance to it.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:33 am to Iowa Golfer
quote:Don't know yet. Could be Chechen. Could be ISIL's branch in the Caucasus. Could be Chechens sympathetic to/inspired by ISIS. Though they need no outside motivation to hit Russia. It doesn't look as though anyone has taken credit, but I'm just getting out of the shower. Would be pretty huge if it was ISIS-directed or enabled. Big step for them in that part of the world. They did claim an stack against a base in Chechnya a couple of weeks ago. Heart of St. Petersburg is a different matter.
It's be "declared" a terrorist attack. What's your line of thinking Navy? Possibly we have some shared interests with Russia?
This post was edited on 4/3/17 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:38 am to Lsuchs
quote:There aren't even accusations of illegality. You guys took weeks to even acknowledge Russian involvement and urged caution in drawing conclusions from a comprehensive assessment which everyone in the IC, Congress (both sides) and investigative community called pretty much conclusive. Now we're back to making gospel of anonymous sources and 10th tier fake news?
Looks like he went aggressive enough to be in some hot water. Doubt the Clinton team gives a shite about anyone else though.
I sometimes hope that a lot of people here are just paid/trolling for kicks.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:41 am to Captain Drago
If you think Obama or anyone in his admin is going to be incarcerated you've not been paying attention. Top democrats are above the law.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:41 am to Navytiger74
Put up or shut up, show us the collusion between Trump and the Russians. Talking about the weather or doing your job does not count.
I am talking about evidence that Trump or his team and the Russians conspired against Clinton.
You can't. Because they did not.
I am talking about evidence that Trump or his team and the Russians conspired against Clinton.
You can't. Because they did not.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:42 am to Jake88
Not any more they aren't.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:43 am to tigerpawl
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Would someone please tell me - in plain English - the meaning of "unmasking" in the context of this situation.
Intelligence agencies provide reports on surveillance that intercepts communications with US citizens. If that surveillance inadvertently captured communications with US Citizens that were not involved in wrongdoing, then their identities should be protected in the reports.
Susan Rice was making repeated requests to "unmask" the identities of these US Citizens, and the requests centered around Trump's transition team. This indicates political espionage and would be a federal crime if she released those names to the media.
This post was edited on 4/3/17 at 9:44 am
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:44 am to Jake88
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If you think Obama or anyone in his admin is going to be incarcerated you've not been paying attention. Top democrats are above the law.
This, BUT
All the Bene's could be lost and the eternal retirement money, Secret Service, a voice in the future, and good riddance of his wife - Amen, this could all happen
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:49 am to TJGator1215
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Another big headline with no actual truth or substance to it
Just what the no Trump queers have been doing since Nov. 9th...24/7. More substance here than "Obama's stupid stooges said so" substance on the Russian BS.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:49 am to Captain Drago
Well statistically speaking it was bound to happen...
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:53 am to antibarner
quote:Can't you people share notes? No one involved in the investigation is alleging collusion. I must've posted that a dozen times. Take your strawman and your histrionics up the road.
Put up or shut up, show us the collusion between Trump and the Russians. Talking about the weather or doing your job does not count.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:54 am to tigerpawl
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Would someone please tell me - in plain English - the meaning of "unmasking"
“Unmasking” is the process of identifying individuals whose communications were caught in the dragnet of intelligence gathering. While conducting investigations into terrorism and other related crimes, intelligence analysts incidentally capture conversations about parties not subject to the search warrant. The identities of individuals who are not under investigation are kept confidential, for legal and moral reasons.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 10:00 am to dr smartass phd
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The identities of individuals who are not under investigation are kept confidential, for legal and moral reasons.
This I do not think in reality true, as it has been stated in the past by intelligence agencies:
In order to determine the value of interactions between individuals, they must know who the individuals are
This is why it is time to repeal and destroy the Patriot Act.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 10:05 am to tigerpawl
Basically, the intelligence agencies and FBI have access to all of our metadata (internet search history, phone history, all of our emails, etc). If there is some kind of National Security concern or suspicion of criminal wrongdoing, they can look at that info, but they cannot share that information or the names of those whom they are surveilling unless they actually begin assembling a criminal case against them to get an indictment.
They were using false reports to justify spying, and then sharing the metadata with the Clinton campaign and media to use as opposition research against Trump. Sharing this information is illegal. Sharing names is doubly illegal.
People should, in theory, be going to prison for a very very long time for this.
They were using false reports to justify spying, and then sharing the metadata with the Clinton campaign and media to use as opposition research against Trump. Sharing this information is illegal. Sharing names is doubly illegal.
People should, in theory, be going to prison for a very very long time for this.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 10:12 am to kingbob
I'll be curious to see how the Obama administration tries to justify the unmasking.
So we're talking about at least 1 felony (leaking), and potentially 2 if the names were unmasked illegally.
I should also add that using that info for political purposes has to be illegal too. Not sure what's needed to prove that.
So we're talking about at least 1 felony (leaking), and potentially 2 if the names were unmasked illegally.
I should also add that using that info for political purposes has to be illegal too. Not sure what's needed to prove that.
This post was edited on 4/3/17 at 10:14 am
Posted on 4/3/17 at 10:13 am to kingbob
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People should, in theory, be going to prison for a very very long time for this.
I will be very surprised if anyone does.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 10:15 am to Navytiger74
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You guys took weeks to even acknowledge Russian involvement
You did hear Schiff say there is NO evidence, right Polly?
Fail.
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