re: Spin off thread...What has the Democrat party done to keep the black vote??

frick the Dems.

Signed,

A Black Guy

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The "white Southerners" of today are largely Conservatives promoting Constitutional principles, equal opportunity, personal responsibility, The Rule Of Law, Free Markets, etc. Sorry for being so radical.

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You describing moderate republicans, a group that has almost no support in the South (they are called RINOs for a reason). This is the same group of Republicans who PASSED the civile rights act. along with a BUNCH of progressive democrats from the NE and midwest.....the group universally opposed to the Civil Rights Act? Southern Conservatives...all but one of which were democrats....


White southern conservatives today are the same as they were in the 60's....the difference now is that so many people like your parents, moderate republicans from the midwest and the NE, have moved to the south (mainly because they fouled their own beds so completely that they could no longer live in them) and have taken over the management of the party....the white southern conservative is what he and she has always been....and black people know all too well what that means. The denial of this problem in the GOP is exactly why black folks do not vote for Republicans in the same numbers as they do for Democrats.

Look...the GOP includes traditional white southern conservatives in their midst....this group was almost universally democratic until the civil rights act was passed...that legislation was the death of the Democratic party in the south....and good riddance to that particular piece of bad rubbish (Lyndon Johnson predicted this). A large part of the support that the GOP has in the south today are these traditional white southern conservatives...the Jerry Falwells of the world if you will. By your own admission your blood is not steeped in being southern....but those of us who are, and this includes huge numbers of black folks, know all too well what this groups feelings are toward such things as integration and civil rights. Don't fool yourself....if they could bring Jim Crow back to Mississippi and Alabama and Georgia they would in a heartbeat.....if they think you are one of them they will tell you so in no uncertain terms....and thus black people can't afford to align themselves with such groups because you can't control them forever.

Black folks are very conservative, in my experience, especially middle class black people. There politics are much more aligned with moderate republicans than left leaning democrats, as is the case with middle class white folks (there is way more that we have in common than that which seperates us). However, asking black people to support a party that they know in their DNA harbors people who would return Jim Crow in a hearbeat is asking too much....and until the GOP recognizes this and does something about it they are fricked as far as black voters are concerned....

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In this one post, you exhibited the textbook traits of someone who lacks empathy.

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do i fail to exhibit empathy if i can't comprehend bronies?

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You dispel any and all notions that Blacks might have rational reasons for feeling the way they do

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what rational reasons other than "the GOP is racist" does this group have to vote 90%+ for a single party?

i've already posted that the issue is that the GOP cannot prove a negative (that they're not racist), so i've already admitted that this particular irrationality exists. what else is there? you tell me

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All I'm saying is that whenever these types of threads pop up, people generalize "blacks" to mean "poor, on the govt tit" blacks.

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and i've made a point for a long time that we need to create words to describe this group, b/c it leads to confusions like you're pointing out. i try to use trash or ghetto or ratchet to distinguish the groups

that is the group that your typical white person has a problem with, in all honesty. it's just not always described specifically enough to avoid an issue. i specifically made a thread on this very topic like 4 years ago to start that discussion. i think i was called a racist

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Go ahead and read some of the responses on the first page. Sure, disproportionately more blacks are on welfare. But its still less than half. Why do people generalize that way when the majority of blacks aren't on welfare?

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well to be fair, this board criticizes people of all races on welfare. if you think trashy blacks get it bad, look at how well-to-do white people discuss white trash, man. it ain't pretty

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but when it comes to discussing national voting trends in the context of presidential elections and things like that, it gets totally glossed over.

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it's also a simple explanation: they are concentrated in urban areas and urban areas lean heavily DEM. jewish people in general are also highly socially liberal and aren't subject to the christian conservative value system

i don't have data (may look later), but i'd imagine that if you split up urban v. rural asians you'd see a dramatic shift in DEM v. GOP voting patterns.

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So thats it? Its all over? There's nothing the GOP can do and they are doomed forever? I don't buy it.

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how does the GOP prove it's not racist?

hell the concept of racism has become so broad and generalized, cutting almost any government program is seen as racist (the farm bill/SNAP issue a few weeks ago was the latest "big" example). you can't be fiscally conservative and avoid being called a racist, accordingly

the concept of "code words" has become so broad and generalized that it's difficult to criticize shite cultures (especially if you don't specifically state a race) without being called a racist. hell, the libtards pushed to make referencing "Chicago" racist (when it was just about dirty politics...the Chicago way)

i mean shite, immigration has become a racial issue. we're talking about future immigration, not killing the hispanic populations of America. the conversation has become so skewed, unless you support full amnesty, you're basically called a racist. it's all bullshite and it's almost become the standard. you tell me how to combat that other than just giving in? (and fwiw, i believe in open immigration and emigration, but with a completely slashed welfare state. the vast majority of fiscal conservatives would agree with this policy. it's about money: not race)

it's already impossible to logically prove a negative, now you add in that layer and you tell me how it's done

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What is your theory on Asians?

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they're concentrated in urban areas in liberal areas (NYC, West Coast population centers, etc)

You keep preaching germandawg. What you're saying is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Ike, who set the precedent of using federal troops to enforce civil rights when he sent the 101st Airborne into Little Rock, and who got 40% of the Black vote, was a liberal on social issues and despised by southerners, and would be tarred and feathered if he was in the Republican Party today. Everett Dirksen, who was instrumental in helping LBJ pass the 1964 CRA and the 1965 VRA, would be labeled a RINO today, and likely taken out in the primaries by some Tea Party nutjob of Todd Akin's ilk.

A while back, Al Sharpton interviewed Condoleezza Rice, and despite their current politics, there wasn't any difference at all in their historical narratives of the Civil Rights movement and one thing they had in common is that all four of their parents were Republicans. When Rand Paul, launched his minority outreach initiative with his speech at Howard University, the reason his civil rights history lesson fell flat is because not only did all the kids at that room already know what the Republican Party used to stand for, but a good many of them probably had grandparents and great-grandparents who were Republicans.

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Groupthink.

Not rational, but that's a big reason.

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And some sort of misplaced "racial loyalty" - I have been urging African Americans to start making protest votes - for anyone other than the democratic candidate to at least put the black vote in play. Until then, they will be taken for granted (and taken advatange of) by the dems and written off by the republicans.

But, most of my black friends are republicans.

so the GOP is stuck with a reputation earned 50 years ago by the Democrat party, and you don't get why people see this as irrational? and why the GOP basically has no ability to make real progress?

and i'm not a GOP supporter. they're way too fiscally liberal and WAY too socially conservative for me

but in terms of discussion/debate, if you're going to rely on the actions of another party 50 years ago as the basis of your argument, and then just add in a lot of speculation as to motives/future action, then there is no discussion to be had

pretty much everyone was on the "wrong side of history" 50 years ago compared to the expected stances of today. if you don't believe me, go look up how many liberal/Democrat congressmen supported gay marriage 50 years ago. i'll wait

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Just because you don't believe Black folks are capable of rational thought

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where did i say that?

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Rather it proves that you lack empathy, and perhaps something even more sinister.

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so you put words in my mouth and then claim what i didn't even say possibly has a "sinister" meaning?

thank you for proving my larger point about this whole discussion. it cannot be had, b/c people will argue dishonestly just like you did above