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re: Spin off thread...What has the Democrat party done to keep the black vote??
Posted on 3/9/14 at 4:55 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
Posted on 3/9/14 at 4:55 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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threads like these make me sad.
not offended...not angry....just sad
I feel you man, I feel you.
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Posted on 3/9/14 at 4:58 pm to sugar71
Nobody gets just the right mixture of race angst, race anger and race cluelessness like my Sugar Bear.
You Go Sugar Bear!
You Go Sugar Bear!
Posted on 3/9/14 at 5:03 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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If you read this board you'd think there was no such thing.
wut
you replied to an educated black professional who pointed that out
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How about the Jewish and Asian demographics? They also overwhelmingly vote D (sure, not the same rate as blacks but still over 70%). Why don't threads discussing those voting trends pop up like similar threads relating black voting habits?
it comes up on occassion, but this board is based in the south and we have more black people than asians or jews here
also, facts are facts. black people are on welfare at much higher rates than jews or asians (i would imagine non-jewish whites would outnumber both as well). this board is fiscally conservative and doesn't like welfare programs
an oft-forgotten angle of this board is its pretty constant disdain for lower class whites, which ironically have been lumped in with the posters in this thread
Posted on 3/9/14 at 5:05 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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couldn't it be the GOPs message, or its delivery of said message?
well the GOP sucks at PR
and, like i said (and you ignored), it's impossible to prove a negative. the DEMs have painted the GOP as racist and it's impossible to prove that they aren't racist (especially with how the left has created the industry of "code words")
Posted on 3/9/14 at 5:07 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Which is why I feel real sympathy for those children without fathers in their lives or who live in unstable homes. Its just not their fault.
but on the same token, if we point out the failures of the culture that produces this sad result, we're racists who "are not doing anything to help the community". we can't fix he problem without addressing it
Posted on 3/9/14 at 5:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
What SFP said.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 5:08 pm to trackfan
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There was nothing in the OP to indicate that a very broad brush wasn't being used to smear all Black folks, and because of this, I guarantee you that educated, middle class Blacks are just as offended by its premise as ghetto derelicts.
why is it the fault of the OP that those people can't understand nuance and "See the world in black and white"?
Posted on 3/9/14 at 5:08 pm to Lsupimp
and "we" was white, black, brown, yellow, etc. i don't mean white people. i mean ALL OF SOCIETY
Posted on 3/9/14 at 5:13 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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If you read this board you'd think there was no such thing. Just read the responses in this thread. Its not just poor blacks who are more likely to vote D its also rich and middle class blacks. You think they are sucking on the govt tit and vote that way for their Obama phones?
How about the Jewish and Asian demographics? They also overwhelmingly vote D (sure, not the same rate as blacks but still over 70%). Why don't threads discussing those voting trends pop up like similar threads relating black voting habits? Thats actually more of an interesting discussion IMO. Maybe its because people would actually have to think and lazy rationalizations like "sucking the govt tit" won't fly?
I saw the question asked about Jews once & as I predicted it barely made 2 pages & certainly no 'free stuff' 'government tit' nonsense(Although certain Jewish communities in New York are approaching 50% households on government assistance & aren't all well off as this board supposes).
But since they aren't thoughtful enough to give an answer I think the obssession with Blacks(Hispanics) ,besides personal their obvious personal prejudices, may be numbers.
Blacks are basically the difference in most close swing states like Florida,Virginia,N.C., Ohio,Pennsylvania,etc... Outside of New York ,for the most part, the Jewish community probably isn't seriously swinging an election.
Plus any 'perceived' bitterness towards the Jewish community isn't as acceptable here as it is with Blacks & Hispanics.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 5:15 pm to sugar71
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I saw the question asked about Jews once & as I predicted it barely made 2 pages
that's b/c the answer is easy: jewish culture is based in urban areas in the US, and urban areas lean DEM
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Outside of New York ,for the most part, the Jewish community probably isn't seriously swinging an election.
if all the jews in Florida or Ohio flipped to GOP, the GOP wouldn't lose an election for a bit i'd imagine
Ohio has like 150k jews, but that could probably bump it to the GOP every 4 years...depends on the districts
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Plus any 'perceived' bitterness towards the Jewish community isn't as acceptable here as it is with Blacks & Hispanics
it's not really accepted or rejected, b/c there aren't many jews in the geographical area that dominates this board
if there was a Buffalodroppings, i'm sure you'd see that thread a lot more
This post was edited on 3/9/14 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 3/9/14 at 5:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why is it the fault of the OP that those people can't understand nuance and "See the world in black and white"?
I think it's really laughable that you would ask such a question considering the fact that you described yourself as "exceptionally empathetic" just a few days ago. If you were truly as empathetic as you claim you would understand why the premise of the OP would rub many Blacks the wrong way.
This post was edited on 3/9/14 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 3/9/14 at 5:22 pm to trackfan
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I think it's really laughable that you would ask such a question considering the fact that you described yourself as "exceptionally empathetic" just a few days ago.
i am very empathetic (and frick sleeping tiger)
that post is a snide remark towards typical liberal talking points, though. they love bringing it up when discussing "other" groups, but love to forget it when talking about groups loyal to their politicians/party. it's the height of hypocrisy and elitism of modern american liberalism that i despise (and truly ironic given the context of this thread)
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If you were truly as empathetic as you claim you would understand why the premise of the OP would rub many Blacks the wrong way.
let's look at the OP:
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Poverty, murder rate, one parent homes and having kids before marriage are still the problem after all these years. What have they done to continue to have their support?
Poverty, murder rate, one parent homes and having kids before marriage are still the problem after all these years.
while it is a bit of a stretch to say "the" problem, it is an objective fact that these are all problems of the black population in American today. this point is not arguable.
are you arguing that these issues don't exist?
are you arguing that these problems aren't more prevalent in the American black community than other groups?
What have they done to continue to have their support?
what is so offensive about this question?
i am empathetic, but that doesn't mean that i can stretch my mind to the darkest reaches of irrational thinking
the American black voting bloc is one of those wonders of the modern world. i don't know if another similar bloc exists anywhere else. it cuts through culture, geography, economic status, sociological indicators, etc.
This post was edited on 3/9/14 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 3/9/14 at 5:24 pm to sugar71
It's quite possible you know, and call me crazy, that people just freaking disagree with you. That racial bogeyman in your head is taking up a lot of space that might be used for constructive purposes. That chip on your shoulder is wearing you down, Brosef...
Posted on 3/9/14 at 6:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i am very empathetic (and frick sleeping tiger)
Actually, you're not.
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i am empathetic, but that doesn't mean that i can stretch my mind to the darkest reaches of irrational thinking
the American black voting bloc is one of those wonders of the modern world. i don't know if another similar bloc exists anywhere else. it cuts through culture, geography, economic status, sociological indicators, etc.
In this one post, you exhibited the textbook traits of someone who lacks empathy. You dispel any and all notions that Blacks might have rational reasons for feeling the way they do, instead they must be irrational their thought process. You have no clue what the word empathy means.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 6:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i am very empathetic (and frick sleeping tiger)
What an odd thread that was.
Don't know what ST saw himself doing there unless it was an ETOH/cannibis-induced altered-states type thing. His comments were coming from such an odd perspective, he'd little room to criticize anyone.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 6:46 pm to trackfan
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You have no clue what the word empathy means.
Empathy doesn't mean agreeing with or recognizing rational. It's the ability to understand and recognize someone's emotional state.
For instance, if an LSU fan is angry after a loss and beats up a toddler, I can empathize with his emotional state while rejecting his actions.
Likewise, I can understand with the frustration and despair felt by members of the black community while completely rejecting their belief in its cause.
This post was edited on 3/9/14 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 3/9/14 at 6:51 pm to trackfan
quote:Part of that, as we discussed, is predicated on perception vs awareness. E.g., Factionated AL-MS whites voted in bloc for McCain in '08 in similar percentages to blacks nationally voting Democrat. Asians votes are substantially skewed. You've aptly pointed those demographics out, in the past.
Actually, you're not.
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i am empathetic, but that doesn't mean that i can stretch my mind to the darkest reaches of irrational thinking
the American black voting bloc is one of those wonders of the modern world. i don't know if another similar bloc exists anywhere else. it cuts through culture, geography, economic status, sociological indicators, etc.
In this one post, you exhibited the textbook traits of someone who lacks empathy. You dispel any and all notions that Blacks might have rational reasons for feeling the way they do, instead they must be irrational their thought process. You have no clue what the word empathy means.
As we've also discussed though, the fact of any group, whether it be Alabama whites or transnational blacks voting at predictable 90% rates, give up influence. Speaks to the problem elevated in the OP.
This post was edited on 3/9/14 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 3/9/14 at 6:59 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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If you read this board you'd think there was no such thing
Nonsense.
The problem is that when we try to have higher level discussions about social ills that permeate the black community at higher instance rates than other races, we get someone that runs in and touts their relationship with their "black attorney" friends.
This board is full of professionals. We all have black friends/coworkers/acquaintances who are high functioning individuals to which these social ills don't apply. That's a micro-analysis.
On the contrary, here we are talking about macro-issues about which the data is clear.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 7:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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wut
you replied to an educated black professional who pointed that out
All I'm saying is that whenever these types of threads pop up, people generalize "blacks" to mean "poor, on the govt tit" blacks. Go ahead and read some of the responses on the first page. Sure, disproportionately more blacks are on welfare. But its still less than half. Why do people generalize that way when the majority of blacks aren't on welfare? If anything it would be more accurate to assume no blacks are on welfare and base your responses on that premise than the opposite.
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but this board is based in the south and we have more black people than asians or jews here
I understand, but when it comes to discussing national voting trends in the context of presidential elections and things like that, it gets totally glossed over. But I'm convinced some people on here can recite national black voting trends in their sleep.
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well the GOP sucks at PR
Why yes they do, I'm glad we can agree on this. It's a big part of the GOPs problem.
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and, like i said (and you ignored), it's impossible to prove a negative. the DEMs have painted the GOP as racist and it's impossible to prove that they aren't racist (especially with how the left has created the industry of "code words")
So thats it? Its all over? There's nothing the GOP can do and they are doomed forever? I don't buy it.
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if we point out the failures of the culture that produces this sad result, we're racists who "are not doing anything to help the community".
I don't believe this to be true. I do think generalizing and painting all blacks with a broad brush also does nothing to help the community, as well.
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jewish culture is based in urban areas in the US, and urban areas lean DEM
What is your theory on Asians?
I know this wasn't directed at me, but I thought I would chime in:
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What have they done to continue to have their support?
what is so offensive about this question?
Nothing wrong with the question IMO, it was some of the responses that made me SMH.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 7:32 pm to tigerbait3488
No matter how this thread unfolds, I will never understand a place like Detroit. Absolute, unchallenged control by one party. And an abysmal failure.
And the votes keep rolling in...
And the votes keep rolling in...
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