re: So was Garner put in a choke hold or not?

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Yea ahhhhh.. I'm not an expert on LE, but I do know when a cop tells you to do something, you freaking do it. You can work out all the violations, poor attitudes, offending people later.

There seems to be a general lack of respect for police these days.

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When you see shite like this, it's not too hard to wonder why. Wearing a badge is not carte blanche to assault people disproportionally to their perceived resistance.

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There's alot of thuggish behavior and wrongful actions by police, don't get me wrong, but I have no problem with this. You want the cop to do a medical background on the guy before he arrests him?

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Nah, I'd be good if he took his arm off of his neck when 4 other cops had the guy subdued on the ground and were in the process of handcuffing him.

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The arrestee put himself in this situation, not the cop...just like Michael Brown

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Not immediately capitulating doesn't give a police officer a right to kill you.

I'm still flabbergasted some are taking the side of the cop here.

im not screaming murder

A reasonable argument can be made

Generally in the book of fox mulder, if you assault someone and they die as a result of your actions

You're a murdering murderer

Same reason people call drunk drivers murderers...what did you expect when you were crushing his neck and he was telling you he couldn't breathe

What did you expect when you drank a 1/5 and got behind the wheel

Manslaughter was a slam dunk here.

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holy shite. You responded directly to me.

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You've been on TD far too long to not have figured this out by now. Go back and read that post buddy, it was clearly to Fox Mulder. You're just having all types of trouble today, arent you?

Manslaughter may have been a slam dunk. But when the rioting masses, most of which aren't trained in the law, exert public pressure on a prosecutor to bring a murder charge when murder isn't present, it presents a perfect opportunity for a wily (to use boosie's word) prosecutor to bring a murder charge whilst knowing it will never stick, all while saving face along the way.

We heard similar things re: the Trayvon case. The fact is, we've got so many emotional nitwits running around screaming to bring charges they themselves know nothing about that we've likely overcharged numerous folks now in these cases who very likely could have been found guilty of lesser charges.

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Your hurling insults does nothing for your argument. quote: as self-serving and ridiculous as I've seen here. if by self serving you mean critical thinking and delving I to the subtleties and semantics of the case then yes. I wanted people to look at the link I provided and maybe learn something new.

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Naw. You were on your cop forums discussing with a bunch of other cops how it's not really a chokehold. It doesn't matter. Call it a fluffy pink bunny hold. It killed him. Dead. What it's called and whether or not it is allowed by the police policy is irrelevant. It is an improper use of force especially with respect to this individual situation. And it was the proximate cause of the death of a non-violent offender of a minor tax statute. If you're ok with that, you're part of the problem.

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not immediately capitulating doesnt give the cop the right to kill him

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I'm sure his intent was to kill him? Cmon man...

If 999 out 1000 people survive that arrest with no health repercussions and the one in a thousand dies because of extremely poor health....that's murder?

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If 999 out 1000 people survive that arrest with no health repercussions and the one in a thousand dies because of extremely poor health....that's murder?

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If a drug killed 1 out of a 1000 people who used it, it would be taken off the shelf. A practice like this "hold" has no place in a police repertoire except in places where lethal force is warranted. This case wasn't it.

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If you're ok with that, you're part of the problem.

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Yep. There aren't alot of good cops out there, because I don't think you can be classified as a "good cop" if you continuously defend the bad ones.

Frick that noise - the cigarette issue is irrelevant. He resisted and therefore brought the actions of law enforcement upon himself. Plain and simple - failure to comply.

I've seen this behavior damn near on a daily basis for the last 15 years as a public school coach/teacher. A certain segment (cough, cough) of our population must learn that actions have consequences.

I don't care about the semantics of the verbiage used to describe the police officer's "hold." It was a fatal hold. And it was unwarranted.

You watch the video and see a "bad guy" because he's breaking a law and then refusing to follow a cop command. In your neural pathways, you justify whatever happens next because that's the way you've been trained. That's the problem. Officer Pantaleo did the same thing. "Bad guy" = "subdue by any means necessary"