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Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:34 pm to meauxjeaux2
Yeah, lets just ignore the doctors on this one. Dumb shite
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:35 pm to the808bass
quote:are you saying the guy that had his arm around his neck is who killed him? Let's get this straight.
don't care about the semantics of the verbiage used to describe the police officer's "hold." It was a fatal hold. And it was unwarranted
quote:I haven't discussed any of this at all in any of these threads. You're attempting to shine a negative light on me as to diminish my opinions and I don't appreciate it at all.
You watch the video and see a "bad guy" because he's breaking a law and then refusing to follow a cop command. In your neural pathways, you justify whatever happens next because that's the way you've been trained. That's the problem. Officer Pantaleo did the same thing. "Bad guy" = "subdue by any means necessary
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:37 pm to onmymedicalgrind
The interesting aspect of this to me, and I have as many friends in law enforcement, DA's office, US attorneys as anyone as I help a bunch of them get these jobs is how many people think this shite could never happen to you. It happens all the time, to all kinds of people. They (DA's I know) are probably the least trusting people on cops I know. But they have obviously seen a lot more shite than I have. I have had cops go way over he line with me on more than one occasion and I was a Judge for a while. I have also had them so incredible control when they could should have been jerks.
They are people like everyone else, there are good ones bad ones, bad days etc. I agree with the decision somewhat in Ferguson. He would never be convicted so i didn't really matter if he was indicted or not. He may be civilly liable I don't know. But this is clearly negligent homicide just like it is if you hit a kid in a crosswalk, or kill someone in a fist fight by going over the edge. He should at least been indicted as he might of been convicted. The number of cops killed unarmed civilians isn't even being tracked right now but I am sure the numbers would be staggering.
Like my buddy the DA for last decade said to me recently, "If you only knew man"
They are people like everyone else, there are good ones bad ones, bad days etc. I agree with the decision somewhat in Ferguson. He would never be convicted so i didn't really matter if he was indicted or not. He may be civilly liable I don't know. But this is clearly negligent homicide just like it is if you hit a kid in a crosswalk, or kill someone in a fist fight by going over the edge. He should at least been indicted as he might of been convicted. The number of cops killed unarmed civilians isn't even being tracked right now but I am sure the numbers would be staggering.
Like my buddy the DA for last decade said to me recently, "If you only knew man"
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:38 pm to meauxjeaux2
quote:You don't have to discuss any of this for it to be obvious in the stuff you choose to take seriously and the stuff you choose to "just ask questions" about.
I haven't discussed any of this at all in any of these threads.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:41 pm to Iosh
quote:ohh yes I do indeed buddy. This luxury is afforded to each and every poster on this website so what makes you think I don't have the right to address one certain aspect from an incident?
You don't have to discuss any of this for it to be obvious in the stuff you choose to take seriously and the stuff you choose to "just ask questions" about
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:42 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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I don't think you can be classified as a "good cop" if you continuously defend the bad ones
And he got a down vote. A cop maybe?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:43 pm to meauxjeaux2
Doesn't matter.
Just because a police department has a certain policy, doesn't make that action prosecutable if said action was in line of duty and subject was resisting.
Just because a police department has a certain policy, doesn't make that action prosecutable if said action was in line of duty and subject was resisting.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:43 pm to meauxjeaux2
quote:You have the right to do whatever you want. And we have the right to infer the obvious from your posture regardless of how much you protest that you aren't actually saying it.
This luxury is afforded to each and every poster on this website so what makes you think I don't have the right to address one certain aspect from an incident?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:44 pm to L.A.
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Seriously, how did the grand jury let the cops walk on that?
This one is worth protesting.
Why don't police understand in non violent situations that they are the ones escalating the incident from minor to violent in many cases?
Prison should definitely be for violent offenders and I understand treating violent offenders with caution, but my goodness, how many of these videos of unarmed, non violent people dying at the hands of police are we going to see before major reform happens?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:46 pm to meauxjeaux2
quote:
are you saying the guy that had his arm around his neck is who killed him? Let's get this straight.
Did someone else compress his neck that wasn't in the police report? If so, let's get that guy on trial stat.
quote:
I haven't discussed any of this at all in any of these threads. You're attempting to shine a negative light on me as to diminish my opinions and I don't appreciate it at all.
Sounds like I nailed it.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:47 pm to Iosh
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You have the right to do whatever you want. And we have the right to infer the obvious from your posture regardless of how much you protest that you aren't actually saying it.
Yea I am soooo interested in hearing his take on all this. I really have noooo idea which way he is going to take it!
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:48 pm to Iosh
quote:this is simply amazing . I post a link to an expert martial arts instructor in my OP explain that maybe the cop did not break police policy and all some of you can do is attempt to discredit me by insinuating what exactly?
You have the right to do whatever you want. And we have the right to infer the obvious from your posture regardless of how much you protest that you aren't actually saying it.
So many are upset at a no charge on these officers. You think this is maybe why?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:50 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Going to bed. Done with this issue.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The link in the OP said Garner had been arrested 30 times. What are the odds this was the first time he resisted arrest?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:51 pm to meauxjeaux2
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evidently it does since this is the battle cry
What does that even mean?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:52 pm to LSURussian
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The link in the OP said Garner had been arrested 30 times. What are the odds this was the first time he resisted arrest?
He was still alive to this point so I'm guessing not many
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:54 pm to meauxjeaux2
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Going to bed. Got owned on this issue.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He was still alive to this point so I'm guessing not many
:boom:
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:57 pm to meauxjeaux2
quote:Your "expert martial arts instructor" answers the question "did Garner die as a result of a chokehold" with "we don't know." Well, your article is six months old. The medical examiner's report is out. We know.
I post a link to an expert martial arts instructor in my OP explain that maybe the cop did not break police policy and all some of you can do is attempt to discredit me by insinuating what exactly?
So many are upset at a no charge on these officers. You think this is maybe why?
Not to mention numerous other factual inaccuracies (e.g., that Garner was committing a felony, it's a misdemeanor unless he had a couple of thousand cigarettes in his pockets) that make the article a transparent attempt at saying "I JUST WANT TO DISCUSS THE FACTS" where "THE FACTS" are (a) incredibly narrow and don't admit any sort of questioning of authority (b) wrong in the cop's favor everywhere they can get away with because people like you don't check sources.
Also, the guy is a martial arts instructor for police. He makes his living getting paid by police departments. Cui fricking bono.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 10:59 pm
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