re: So was Garner put in a choke hold or not?

lsuroadie, wow what a POS.

How many arrests give the cops the right to kill you for selling loose cigs, apex?

You mean for resisting?

I'm not sure how anyone can defend this one. The ones who are, must be the extreme bootlickers.

Whoever thinks that nonviolent petty crimes should be met with violence, let alone violence aggressive enough to kill somebody, should really take a step back and think about what kind of society they want to live in, and what kind of power they want to give to the gov't. We are truly moving towards a guilty until proven innocent society. Very scary.

My favorite case for all you racist on here involves a upper middle class white man. He was my client. He was a late 40's year old 6 foot tall 140 lb (Maybe) conservative Christian man and owned some radio stations in Tennessee. He was also a hemophiliac aka bleeder. One of few that survived the 80's due to aids infected blood transfusions. (See or read And the band played on)

His son was military and lived in an nice apartment complex in Biloxi. He just had a baby which was the man's first grandson. He drove down from Tennessee to see his new grandson but got to the complex making better time then he anticipated about 5 am. He was driving a new 300zx I think. Since they had just gotten home from hospital he didnt want to risk waking the baby and his daughter-n-law so he just parked in the parking lot of the complex and waited in his car for 7 am. One of the idiot neighbors called the cops allegedly saying he might be drug dealer etc. Cops come to car, bang on the window and order him out of the car guns drawn. Problem is one cop orders him to put his hands on the wheel while the other orders him to open the door and get out hands up. Guns drawn on him by the way, He tries to explain to them he cant put both hands on the wheel and open the door which only enrages them more. He warns them he is a bleeder and begs them not to handle him roughly as it could kill him. Of course they drag him out of the car and rough him up. His crime nothing so they claim he resisted arrest or failed to comply with instructions. They changed it when the ADA realized didn't have any grounds for arrest. A bleeder, yeah right. Of course, he almost died.

By the way they offered to drop the charges if he agreed not to sue them. You can imagine my response. The cops didn't know what they did until I recreated the incident in the court room. Where they admitted it was impossible for him to comply with their dueling request. They were not evil and would have apologized if City attorney would have let them. They were just green right out of the academy. Instead of spending time with his grandson he spent two weeks in hospital, got 250k in medical bills and almost died.

So yes Virginia middle class white Republican Christians can be killed by cops too. Even the ones that own Christian radio stations.

Yeah that's the sad part

This should be news and not because he's black

The police don't see color, just enemies

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The police don't have to worry about arresting this petty criminal again. Problem solved, right?

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I lost a friend in the line of duty who served as a US Marshal for Bill Clinton...he could have retired but decided to go back to being a "Cop" in Raleigh. You can google his name "Mark Tucker"

A white kid on probation killed him as he was getting out of his car during his lunch break.

So, I am sensitive and somewhat biased. I tend to look at the lawbreaker's actions first (What started this mess?) then I look at the police actions relative to their response.

I am probably not as a objective as others..

I know the crime in this case is petty, but it's a complete disregard for the law and law enforcement to be give them the middle finger after 30 arrest.

I am willing to bet there are at least 5 other types of crimes he has committed...

There is a pattern of lawbreakers and there is a pattern of people who defend them....

thank God Jesus forgives me because I know I am a lawbreaker in his eyes..

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The link in the OP said Garner had been arrested 30 times. What are the odds this was the first time he resisted arrest?


He was still alive to this point so I'm guessing not many

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Meh. More likely he resisted before and the cops knew that when they approached him. And that's why they immediately resorted to force. It's not like cops can only arrest perps who willingly agree to be arrested.

"You're under arrest."

"Nah, man, I ain't going."

"Oh, okay, in that case, have a nice day. We'll leave now."

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You can hear him saying "I can't breathe" in the video yet they kept piling on.

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So let me get this straight: a suspect resists arrest, and during the process of being restrained starts complaining about ______ (fill in the blank), and the cops are supposed to stop and worry about his safety?

Here's the problem with that, almost all of them bitch, whine, argue, and complain during this process. How is law enforcement supposed to determine the diference between those crying wolf and and actual suspect in distress (especially, when the cops life might very well be in danger)? The answer is simple - when you resist, you forfeit your right to be heard or reasoned with until you are safely restrained.

Again, I've witnessed this crap with our youth for the last 15 years in the public school system. No accountability, it's never their fault, always an excuse.