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re: So was Garner put in a choke hold or not?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:54 pm to C
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:54 pm to C
quote:
but he's not the first fat guy to die of something like this. I wouldn't have convicted the cop of a crime.
You watched the same video I did and you're pinning this on the guy's weight??
This is a terrible tragedy, but the (minuscule) silver lining is we're seeing who the true dumbasses are here on the Poli Board.
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:55 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Cops are put in a tough position by politicians and apathetic populous.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:55 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:who? I know you want it to be true to soothe your insatiable thirst for reparations but discussing the semantics of the term being thrown around "choke hold" is all that's being discussed in this thread.
but if someone is defending the cop on this one
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:56 pm to RedStickBR
Um, if you catch someone fricking your wife and kill them in a rage, that's 2nd degree murder
This is more manslaughter but let's not bother with semantics. He killed this guy, he's a murderer
This is more manslaughter but let's not bother with semantics. He killed this guy, he's a murderer
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:56 pm to C
I'll see you and raise you.
Civilians are killed by poorly trained and overzealous cops.
Civilians are killed by poorly trained and overzealous cops.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:56 pm to meauxjeaux2
If you want to debate the mechanics and semantics of the arm placement and what move that is called in wrestling, let's move that shite to the WWE thread on the OT
What a joke of a point of distinction to make.
What a joke of a point of distinction to make.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:56 pm to boosiebadazz
What if it was an elderly man
Is anyone here claiming he died of old age?
Is anyone here claiming he died of old age?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:57 pm to meauxjeaux2
quote:
quote: but if someone is defending the cop on this one who? I know you want it to be true to soothe your insatiable thirst for reparations but discussing the semantics of the term being thrown around "choke hold" is all that's being discussed in this thread.
It doesn't matter what you call it.
What would you prefer it be called? Just say it rather than dancing around on the head of a pin.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:58 pm to DelU249
And second degree murder is still intentional.
I think this was a major screw up by the cop. But it wasn't murder.
I think this was a major screw up by the cop. But it wasn't murder.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:58 pm to meauxjeaux2
Am I the only one on here that doesn't give two fu$/s about someone or what happens to someone when a cop or LEO tells you to get down on the f ing ground... You get down on the f ing ground.
It isn't bargaining time...it isn't negotiating time...it isn't plea your case time...it's time to get your arse on the f ing ground time
It isn't bargaining time...it isn't negotiating time...it isn't plea your case time...it's time to get your arse on the f ing ground time
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:58 pm to the808bass
quote:
I'll see you and raise you.
Civilians are killed by poorly trained and overzealous cops.
100% agree.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:58 pm to RedStickBR
You say this, but you tweet to not understand the distinction between 1st and 2nd degree murder
This is 2nd degree at worst, manslaughter at best
and he walked because he's a cop
This is 2nd degree at worst, manslaughter at best
and he walked because he's a cop
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:58 pm to boosiebadazz
I'm guessing you didn't even peek at the link. I keep seeing people saying the cop went against department policy. Nobody wants to discuss that at all.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:59 pm to lsuroadie
Was he not on the ground? Were there not 4 (5?) officers pinning him down and cuffing him?
You're telling us you watched that whole video and saw nothing wrong with what the cops did?
You're telling us you watched that whole video and saw nothing wrong with what the cops did?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:59 pm to RedStickBR
Reasonable expectation. Choke someone and sit on their neck, what do you expect?
I wouldn't be thrilled with a 2nd degree murder charge, by definition its criminally negligent homicide or manslaughter
In my eyes, that makes him a murderer
I wouldn't be thrilled with a 2nd degree murder charge, by definition its criminally negligent homicide or manslaughter
In my eyes, that makes him a murderer
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:00 pm to LSURussian
quote:
What was the cause of death?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:01 pm to the808bass
quote:the professional martial arts instructor in the link I provided called it something else. Why do you care what I prefer to call it? How's that for dancing?
What would you prefer it be called?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:01 pm to meauxjeaux2
Department policy is to not apply any force to the neck
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:02 pm to Five0
Isn't the cause of death relevant?
Did he die from asphyxiation?
Did he die from asphyxiation?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:02 pm to the808bass
quote:
Where's your medical degree from and how many autopsies have you participated in?
1. The question was the type of hold. No one who's taken mixed martial arts would call that a choke.
2. The autopsy didn't call asphyxiation as the cause of death. He died because he was in a struggle and it was toouch for his heart. I can recall at least 2 other deaths where a criminal died similarly. Also my company had a senior executive who died while being kidnapped from similar causes.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 10:04 pm
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