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re: Replacing Social Welfare Programs with a Min Income Payment
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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our government would decrease
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:57 pm to C
are you saying the program is impossible BECAUSE it would lead to a reduction in government, or that this plan doesn't reduce government?
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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how is increasing the min wage going to do anything when the # of jobs is at issue?
I believe it would move us into a world that was more focused on practical applications of automation on the front end of the store. if we increased the cost of having a front end with a human face to it.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:59 pm to oklahogjr
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I believe it would move us into a world that was more focused on practical applications of automation on the front end of the store. if we increased the cost of having a front end with a human face to it.
so...fewer jobs?
Posted on 1/5/14 at 2:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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o...fewer jobs?
well yeah long run, short run I doubt you'd see just widespread job loss.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 2:22 pm to Powerman
quote:Your obvious butt hurt is just sooooo precious.
I find it hard to believe that you don't know what the word finite means but it appears that you don't.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 2:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
I would be ok with this if and only if it didn't cost more than the current entitlement programs, all other welfare/entitlement programs were done away with (including Obamacare) and we established a more free market to provide the best possible economy and opportunities for everyone to better themselves.
I would also want minimum wage done away with in order for there to be cheap unskilled labor willing to work to add on to their "living wage" so we could build back manufacturing in the US and not be outdone by Asian countries. Free market would dictate fair enough wages for people to be willing to work for that amount.
I would also want minimum wage done away with in order for there to be cheap unskilled labor willing to work to add on to their "living wage" so we could build back manufacturing in the US and not be outdone by Asian countries. Free market would dictate fair enough wages for people to be willing to work for that amount.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 2:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Good podcast.
Unfortunately I wasn't around to contribute much to the discussion.
I am disappointed with the lack of quality discussion this generated. You got nitpicked on the definition of post-scarcity, thrown off-topic by, and impeded by old people with no vision.
I guess it's par for the course for this board.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 2:59 pm to WikiTiger
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impeded by old people with no vision.
Awesome.
Way to contribute to the derailment. Don't let emotion get the best of you
This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Awesome.
Way to contribute to the derailment.
FWIW, I wasn't referring to you. I actually liked that you attempted to stay on topic.
And it's no use trying to avoid derailment. This board derails 90% of all threads.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:02 pm to WikiTiger
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Good podcast.
those 2 guys do good podcasts together
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:02 pm to deltaland
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I would be ok with this if and only if it didn't cost more than the current entitlement programs,
Bingo.
I fear it would be different though. A whole lot of people wrap their ideology around "fairness and justice" and this wouldn't do anything to solve that in their opinion.
I like the idea in theory though
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Way to contribute to the derailment. Don't let emotion get the best of you
and FWIW, I love this topic. It's one of my all-time favorite topics. I've attempted to start many threads on it. It rarely leads to any interesting discussion here. r/futurism and other boards are better for this stuff because you won't get nitpicked by people who can't imagine the world more than 2 years from now.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:05 pm to WikiTiger
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because you won't get nitpicked by people who can't imagine the world more than 2 years from now.
Any topic on any board will have the same result. There are plenty of "old people" who agree with you, but anyone hung up on an ideology is going to fight it tooth and nail.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
Unfortunately that might be the most optimal, politically palatable solution -- though I don't think 15k/yr less all social welfare funding is sufficient to keep the masses at bay, they still out number the rich in terms of # of votes.
I've always been supportive of forced sterilization of people with too many kids they can't afford to raise -- but social mores render such a policy a pipe dream
I've always been supportive of forced sterilization of people with too many kids they can't afford to raise -- but social mores render such a policy a pipe dream
Posted on 1/5/14 at 5:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Okjr wrote:
Roger responds:
Exactly, even if you give libs a free 15k, it's still not enough, it's never enough. It truly is a mental disorder.
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I believe the path to this system however is through an increase in the minimum wage
Roger responds:
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What??
Exactly, even if you give libs a free 15k, it's still not enough, it's never enough. It truly is a mental disorder.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 5:04 pm to ItNeverRains
Would it be $15,000 a person, or per household? If the former you could easily get majority support from the masses.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 5:47 pm to WikiTiger
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I am disappointed with the lack of quality discussion this generated. You got nitpicked on the definition of post-scarcity,
god forbid anyone actually examine any piece of this closely
Posted on 1/5/14 at 5:59 pm to ItNeverRains
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Exactly, even if you give libs a free 15k, it's still not enough, it's never enough. It truly is a mental disorder.
It's a transition step. the increased minimum wage increases the demand for menial task automation.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 6:15 pm to oklahogjr
People hate change too much in order for such a drastic system change to the way everyone is paid. you have to step it in with reform to change the way the market is now. You raise the minimum wage you increase the need to reduce workers and create the need for a minimum american payment.
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