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re: Replacing Social Welfare Programs with a Min Income Payment
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:00 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:00 pm to LSURussian
In this proposal, we still have finite demand so all resources will be manageable just as they are today.
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:05 pm to C
quote:Not if the world's population continues to increase, which it is forecast to do for at least the next century or so.
we still have finite demand
Or maybe I'm misinterpreting what you mean by 'finite demand.'
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:09 pm to LSURussian
quote:
But to say NOTHING will be scare
that's not what i'm saying at all
and the basics this concept alludes to are renewable anyway. food, timber, cotton, wool, etc are all renewable (sorry i was waiting in line at a pizza place when i responded last...i can fully reply now)
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:11 pm to LSURussian
quote:
Not if the world's population continues to increase, which it is forecast to do for at least the next century or so.
Or maybe I'm misinterpreting what you mean by 'finite demand.'
I find it hard to believe that you don't know what the word finite means but it appears that you don't.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:But wiki is saying that and he is who I responded to in this thread.
that's not what i'm saying at all
He's gone so far as to say (in other threads) that money will not be needed because everything will be freely available.
quote:Both of those have been almost replaced by synthetic materials based on petroleum derivatives.
cotton, wool,
I didn't realize how much that was true for wool until November when I went to New Zealand and Australia on vacation and visited with some sheep ranchers there.
The price of wool is much lower now than it was years ago because Gortex has become so popular for wearing in cold weather climates.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:19 pm to LSURussian
quote:
and he is who I responded to in this thread.
sorry. that's my mistake b/c i was on my phone and didn't notice it
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
I support this plan in the future however I don't think now is the correct time. I believe the path to this system however is through an increase in the minimum wage. I support an increase in the minimum wage. Long run I think it'll save us all money.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:30 pm to oklahogjr
Increasing the minimum wage will just speed along unemployment increases.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:31 pm to oklahogjr
quote:
I believe the path to this system however is through an increase in the minimum wage. I support an increase in the minimum wage.
did you read the OP?
how is increasing the min wage going to do anything when the # of jobs is at issue?
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:33 pm to C
I think you need a balanced budget amendment first.
Otherwise pressure will just increase the minimum amount since no one will pay for it.
Even with that, I can see political pressure to push up the minimum amount at the expense of taxing middle and upper income folks.
Otherwise pressure will just increase the minimum amount since no one will pay for it.
Even with that, I can see political pressure to push up the minimum amount at the expense of taxing middle and upper income folks.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'd hope that if this was implemented they could do away with minimum wage laws.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:34 pm to C
quote:
I'd hope that if this was implemented they could do away with minimum wage laws.
that's part of the bargain. i discuss that in the OP
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:34 pm to oklahogjr
quote:
I believe the path to this system however is through an increase in the minimum wage
What???
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
Haha somehow I never read the op...
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:40 pm to C
no min wage, which will open up more jobs for more people to work part-time, both to give them something to do and to supplant the minimum income. a high min wage destroys employment opportunities for those at teh very bottom. once you give them a minimum wage, the "living wage" bullshite goes out the window
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
This is an intriguing idea. How would this affect the value of money? You couldn't collect enough taxes could you? If not this is like QE on steroids?
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
I am not for any program that further relieves people of responsibility to contribute to society. The proposed program may appear cheaper but how we distribute welfare should not be the question.
The question should be why should we continue to distribute welfare?
Forcing people to work to obtain their basic needs helps everybody. We should end the minimum wage now.
Liberals say we are not paying people to stay home now but that is a crock. True story---there is a twenty something guy that works for us seasonally. He came back to work a couple of weeks ago after his seasonal job played out in March.
I ask him what he had been doing the last 9 months and he replied "living with his grandmother". The guy had fathered a child last year and I ask about it and it is doing fine living with it's mother and her grandmother. I ask him how his grandmother could afford him and told me she get "all them ckecks Mr. IB".
I ask him why he came back to work and he said "I need to get out of the house ever once and while".
He does nothing to feed or house himself or his child.
It ain't right! He should have to work or get nothing and his grandmother sure shouldn't be getting enough welfare to take care of him.
The question should be why should we continue to distribute welfare?
Forcing people to work to obtain their basic needs helps everybody. We should end the minimum wage now.
Liberals say we are not paying people to stay home now but that is a crock. True story---there is a twenty something guy that works for us seasonally. He came back to work a couple of weeks ago after his seasonal job played out in March.
I ask him what he had been doing the last 9 months and he replied "living with his grandmother". The guy had fathered a child last year and I ask about it and it is doing fine living with it's mother and her grandmother. I ask him how his grandmother could afford him and told me she get "all them ckecks Mr. IB".
I ask him why he came back to work and he said "I need to get out of the house ever once and while".
He does nothing to feed or house himself or his child.
It ain't right! He should have to work or get nothing and his grandmother sure shouldn't be getting enough welfare to take care of him.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:49 pm to I B Freeman
quote:
The question should be why should we continue to distribute welfare?
because we don't have jobs for the population
quote:
Forcing people to work
which jobs?
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:51 pm to cssamerican
quote:
How would this affect the value of money?
i'm not sure b/c that depends on how much the income is v. where we'd save (by cutting direct and indirect support)
on a state/federal level, we would save money no doubt
quote:
You couldn't collect enough taxes could you?
well the producers would likely still keep producing and our government would decrease, so i reckon you would
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