re: Replacing Social Welfare Programs with a Min Income Payment

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Who would ride garbage trucks, work as janitors, work in fast food joints etc.

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these jobs probably won't require humans in 20-30 years. hell we don't need people in fast food joints anyway

that's the basis of the issue: these jobs won't exist

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Who would ride garbage trucks, work as janitors, work in fast food joints etc.

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The one motivated to do more than sit on $15k. Those employers would benefit having motivated workers.

I would support this if it completely eliminated the other welfare programs and there are no subsidies attached to this and it takes a 88-90 % vote of both houses of congress to raise the min income.

One key issue is the cost of implementation -- I assume that this would be for all working-age population citizens.

According to the St. Louis FED, there are 243.2M Americans of working-age population. Paying each of them $10K/yr comes out to an annual bill of $2.4T. $15K/yr would be $3.6T. Is that really cheaper to administer? You've got a lot to cut out in your OP, all of which seems really sound, but without direct numbers I dunno if it's actually cheaper.

I support it even if it is more expensive (to an extent), FWIW. I'm okay with paying more in taxes, if it comes to that, knowing that it's actually going to something sensible instead of the inanity we're currently paying for.

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I support it even if it is more expensive (to an extent), FWIW. I'm okay with paying more in taxes, if it comes to that, knowing that it's actually going to something sensible instead of the inanity we're currently paying for.

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What's the point of giving it to all working age people though? I posted in my thread on this same topic that you should just give the 15k to the unemployed and those employed that make less than 15k/year. As they make more than 15k per year, take that much away from them in benefits (i.e if they make 18k/year they receive 12k in Gov't money). A minimum wage job will get you at least 15k per year, so this system would ensure any poor working american would have income of at least 30k. A person not working only gets 15k.

Stop the Gov't money once a person's wages reach 30k or higher. This eliminates bureaucracy, ensures the program doesn't require tax hikes on the middle class or upper class. It creates incentive to get at least a minimum wage job.

There are currently approx. 90 million not participating in the labor force (age 16 and up). benefits would be for 18 yrs old and up, so we'll assume approx. 80 million are eligible.

There are 144 million working Americans. 53% make less than 30k per year. So about 75 million eligible for benefits under my proposition..take an average of 7,500 per person per year. Add another 11 million of unemployed but seeking work.

The cost of my program would be a ballpark estimate of about 1.9 trillion...close to what we pay out now. We wouldn't need a tax hike, and we would save money by less Gov't employees needed to implement the numerous programs we have now.

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What's the point of giving it to all working age people though? I posted in my thread on this same topic that you should just give the 15k to the unemployed and those employed that make less than 15k/year. As they make more than 15k per year, take that much away from them in benefits

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This doesn't work either.

I've witnessed this and what happens is you get people who would rather not work, or make very little money than to lose benefits.

Why work for 16k when you can do nothing for 15k?

If you want to wean people from the public dime, they need to come up with a better plan than penalizing those who are trying to better themselves.

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Under my plan, if they worked for 16k they would receive 14k in benefits, guaranteeing them 30k a year as long as they hold a job.
If they made 29k/year they would get 1k in benefits. Any money made off of work would be taxed accordingly. This system makes it better to work, than not work.

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So they're going to work harder and harder, perhaps a more stressful job with more responsibility, etc., and they're not going to make any more money until they start making $30,001 on their own?

Are you familiar with human beings at all?

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Offering: a national/federal minimum income for all citizens of the US. an amount slightly above the poverty line, so let's say $15k per adult person (no children subsidies...at least not directly). this minimum income replaces all social programs, both direct (SS, medicaid, medicare, section 8, welfare, SNAP, Obamacare) and indirect (legislative pork/stimulus, especially within the military).

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Provided ObamaCare remains. If not - people with certain pre-existing conditions will wind up with a lot more than 15k a year in expenses w/o Medicaid. Hemopheliacs and HIV patients come to mind.

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