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re: Refusing to serve customers you don't agree with is suddenly cool again.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:36 am to dcrews
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:36 am to dcrews
quote:
Tell us how it's different
because the bakers found out thru social media about the couple being lesbians and refused service only then, even thought the lesbian couple wanted just a regular cake not some dyked out version when one of them originally asked them to bake their cake and they accepted not knowing she was part of a lesbian couple.
huge difference.
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:36 am to Frank Black
quote:For starters, she's French and not subject to any US laws.
We're waiting. Explain the difference to us from a legal standpoint.
Even as a US citizen, Melania isn't a member of a protected class, and the designer doesn't operate a public storefront for her custom dress designs. As has been stated multiple times, Sweet Cakes could have operated without a storefront and discriminated all they wanted to, which they did try for at least a brief period.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:37 am to MrCarton
quote:
underlying issue is that nobody has the right to demand labor of anyone else. IDGAS about beliefs. That has zero to do with this.
I think we are pretty much arguing the same thing. However my issue with your phrasing is it leaves the door open to pick and choose on a given day. As long as you consistently refuse, I agree with you.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:39 am to Cruiserhog
quote:
because the bakers found out thru social media about the couple being lesbians and refused service only then, even thought the lesbian couple wanted just a regular cake not some dyked out version when one of them originally asked them to bake their cake and they accepted not knowing she was part of a lesbian couple. huge difference.
because the Dress maker heard through social media and MSM that Trump and Melania were racist, homophobic, anti-Semites, That never even asked her for a dress.
Not really much of a difference at all
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:40 am to Mike da Tigah
Such hypocrisy from lefties!
This is even more blatant, as the designer was not even asked to perform the service.
This is even more blatant, as the designer was not even asked to perform the service.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:42 am to Cruiserhog
quote:
because the bakers found out thru social media about the couple being lesbians and refused service only then, even thought the lesbian couple wanted just a regular cake not some dyked out version when one of them originally asked them to bake their cake and they accepted not knowing she was part of a lesbian couple.
So they refused service because they disagree with the couple's political ideas about sexualily. Isn't this exactly what the designer in the OP is doing?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:45 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:No. They refused service because the couple was gay. How do we know it wasn't about political views the couple held. Because the bakers said exactly why they were refusing service.
So they refused service because they disagree with the couple's political ideas about sexualily.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:46 am to Cruiserhog
So you can refuse service based solely on difference of opinion as long as you don't find out about the disagreement via social media?
Did you read what you wrote? You're being absolutely 100% disingenuous.
Did you read what you wrote? You're being absolutely 100% disingenuous.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:46 am to JuiceTerry
quote:
No soup for you!
I have fire too, and can cook better soup anyway.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:47 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Religious belief is specifically enumerated in our Constitution as deserving protection. It's protected where annoyance due to an election result isn't, so yeah, anyone who values this country would actually support the bakers, for both exercising their religious convictions in a way that doesn't infringe upon the rights of others and because they shouldn't be forced to serve anyone they don't want to.
To anyone that values our country, I'm correct.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:49 am to mmcgrath
quote:
They refused service because the couple was gay.
No, they refused service because the gay couple was getting married. That's political. But of course you know that.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 10:50 am
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:49 am to mmcgrath
So the frick what? It's only matters of sexual preference that can legally disallow someone to refuse service?
I mean you people are about as whacked out as they come
Caught in a hypocritical lie and yall just keep on digging that hole.
I mean you people are about as whacked out as they come
Caught in a hypocritical lie and yall just keep on digging that hole.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:49 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:In this case, it looks like it's one-sided. Conservatives and people who value freedom were up in arms about the treatment of the bakers, and the same people are still supporting this designer. What we don't support is the double standard by the left to force one business to do something they don't want to do while applauding another business for not doing something they don't want to do.
It goes both ways.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:50 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
quote:Making a custom dress for a celebrity is not the same as selling cakes in a shop that is open to the public. Why are these concepts so difficult for some people? You're right. The dress is much worse since its based on some loose political hatred instead of a long standing religious belief.
Exactly. Well stated!!
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:51 am to FooManChoo
quote:
Religious belief is specifically enumerated in our Constitution as deserving protection.
Sure, but it isn't unlimited.
It's the wrong argument based on emotion, and it's a losing argument.
quote:
they shouldn't be forced to serve anyone they don't want to
This is the only one with any necessity or validity.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:51 am to mmcgrath
quote:Wrong. This is all public knowledge. The bakery had many gay customers and served them just as they served anyone else. They refused to bake and decorate a custom wedding cake for a gay wedding.
No. They refused service because the couple was gay
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:53 am to MrCarton
quote:They will define the terms however they want; it's what they do. Ignoring that fact doesn't change anything. It's easy enough to tear down their arguments using their own language and then show them why their language is wrong in the first place.
I know you think you are calling them on a double standard, but really you aren't. You are letting them set the terms. Never let them ignore fhe fundamental component of the issue, a man's right to his own body.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:54 am to Mr.Perfect
quote:
owever my issue with your phrasing is it leaves the door open to pick and choose on a given day. As long as you consistently refuse, I agree with you.
What? My phrasing leaves no room for interpretation. You do not have the right to DEMAND labor from other people. Labor is something we agree to perform for one another. When it isn't, we call that something other than labor. I will leave it to your imagination what we call that.
I don't think you are really grasping the point here. Your explanation of why it's wrong to demand a gay cake of dress leaves a ton of room for interpretation, and it actually lets statists and leftists set the framework of the discussion.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:54 am to Vacherie Saint
I understand that the couple in question had purchased goods often from the bakery. It was the act of marriage between same sex that was caused the refusal.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:54 am to Mike da Tigah
All this is, is a fashion designer trying to create publicity and make a name for herself.
Nothing more nothing less.
Nothing more nothing less.
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