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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:59 pm to TigerBlazer
quote:Everyone is hypocritical to a degree. The left continues to prop themselves up as morally superior than everyone else, choosing tolerance where the feeble-minded choose hatred, and support openness rather than closed-mindedness. That's what they say, but then practice the complete opposite.
Oh i think all people can be hypocritical. Calling Obama "not my president", a monkey etc. for 8 years & now DEMANDING respect for the office of the President. Just a bit hypocritical, don't you think?
Point being, the hypocrisy is not going unnoticed.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:00 pm to MrCarton
But in doing so you are leaving out the facts that make each case different. The bakery could have refused service on any number of grounds, ie. i'm sorry we are too busy, you don't have any shoes/shirt on, we ran out of rainbow icing....
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:03 pm to Mike da Tigah
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“The rhetoric of racism, sexism, and xenophobia unleashed by her husband’s presidential campaign are incompatible with the shared values we live by.”
quote:Apparently so too is holding a wife responsible for her husband's behavior.
efusing to serve customers you don't agree with is suddenly cool again.
That must have changed very recently --- like in the last week or two.
Odd.
I wonder what caused the change.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:04 pm to TigerBlazer
So... refusing service based on a lie is acceptable but refusing based on their religious truth isn't?
Every situation is going to be different in some ways. The comparison is the left's reaction to refusing service to someone they like vs. someone they hate. It's a double standard and like I said, these people don't care about the details that make the situations different; they are supportive of actions that benefit them or their causes while they oppose actions that don't.
Every situation is going to be different in some ways. The comparison is the left's reaction to refusing service to someone they like vs. someone they hate. It's a double standard and like I said, these people don't care about the details that make the situations different; they are supportive of actions that benefit them or their causes while they oppose actions that don't.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:06 pm to TigerBlazer
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But in doing so you are leaving out the facts that make each case different. The bakery could have refused service on any number of grounds, ie. i'm sorry we are too busy, you don't have any shoes/shirt on, we ran out of rainbow icing....
Don't understand. I told you this isn't a court room.
We have established the pertinent moral phrase here: men should not force other men to do work or perform tasks against their will.
I don't need a fashion breakdown to determine when a universal moral truth is broken.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:07 pm to mmcgrath
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Making a custom dress for a celebrity is not the same as selling cakes in a shop that is open to the public.
How in the flying frick is a custom dress not the same as a custom cake?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:08 pm to SoulGlo
Better question is why does it matter.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:09 pm to FooManChoo
Well then call it out on both sides. The right also thinks it's morally superior because they are christian. Abortion is murder under Christian doctrine, but not everyone in the US is a christian.
Is it not hypocrisy to be for small govt except when it goes against your religion?
Is it not hypocrisy to be for small govt except when it goes against your religion?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:10 pm to TigerBlazer
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Abortion is murder under Christian doctrine, but not everyone in the US is a christian.
Make a thread about it. But ill tell you, that one comes down to a similar argument about who has agency.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:11 pm to FooManChoo
religious truth? What religion? The one YOU believe in?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:17 pm to MrCarton
But if you are open to, and offering your services to the public, no one is forcing you to do anything.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:19 pm to TigerBlazer
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religious truth? What religion? The one YOU believe in?
Uh, yeah. He said as much.
quote:
So... refusing service based on a lie is acceptable but refusing based on their religious truth isn't?
That wasn't his point. His point was that it shouldn't matter what the reason is.
Why is lying about why you don't want to serve someone better than telling the truth about why you don't want to serve them?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:21 pm to TigerBlazer
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But if you are open to, and offering your services to the public, no one is forcing you to do anything.
Yeah that's right. Who argued that?
Forcing someone to sell cakes to gay people is.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:27 pm to TigerBlazer
quote:Small government doesn't equal no government. Strangely enough, even small government folk like myself still appreciate the rule of law being enforced by the government when it comes to justice for murder, stealing, rape, etc.
Well then call it out on both sides. The right also thinks it's morally superior because they are christian. Abortion is murder under Christian doctrine, but not everyone in the US is a christian.
Is it not hypocrisy to be for small govt except when it goes against your religion?
When it comes to abortion (completely different topic), some people think it should be illegal, not because we want the government more involved in our lives, but because we believe abortion should fall under the government's current viable mandate for preserving justice and punishing taking of innocent life.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:32 pm to TigerBlazer
quote:As has been pointed out, the religious belief of whoever the business owner is. I happen to believe there is only one true religion, but what I believe is neither here nor there when it comes to this particular subject.
religious truth? What religion? The one YOU believe in?
If a business owner has the freedom to serve or withhold service from whomever they choose, they are free to have individual convictions (religious or otherwise) that dictate how the operate their business.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:35 pm to MrCarton
are they not part of the public?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:48 pm to FooManChoo
They chose to be open to the public. Are not gay people members of the public?
And if your religious convictions are so strong that you have to refuse service to gay people, do you inquire whether or not someone has been divorced? Or committed adultery? Or taken the Lord's name in vain?
Would Jesus refuse service to someone because they were gay?
And if your religious convictions are so strong that you have to refuse service to gay people, do you inquire whether or not someone has been divorced? Or committed adultery? Or taken the Lord's name in vain?
Would Jesus refuse service to someone because they were gay?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:49 pm to UGATiger26
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progressive friends
Let's not limit it to them. It's all been entertaining.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:52 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
No. They refused service because the couple was gay. How do we know it wasn't about political views the couple held. Because the bakers said exactly why they were refusing service.
No they refused to, in their view, participate in an event which was, in their minds immoral, and against their religious beliefs.
In their view they deemed that participating in that "event" was condoning/sanctioning the "sin".
If the "couple" would have come in off the street and just ordered a cake the issue would have never come up. They probably could have ordered a wedding cake without discussing it being for a same sex marriage and received service and they would have been served just as everyone else does.
Furthermore, in a free market they should have been able to find someone else who had no problem providing for that service, which in fact is exactly what they did.
The real problem here is they then in their outrage attempted to get the business shutdown.
And then the Government run by leftist obliged them.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 2:04 pm
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