re: Pope cut penalties for pedophile priests including letting two off with a prayer

That all sounds so ridiculous. Tell me this, are children of an annulled marriage "illegitimate "? Were they retroactively " born in sin? Are they thrown into a state of sin, or is there a celestial loophole for that ?

The Catholic Church annual marriages that bore children all the time . And you sure take legitimate criticism of the Catholic Church personally.

I'm just trying to understand the Church logic . If the marriage was never legit, how can the kids it produces be legit? And you guys know this stuff, so educate me.

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If the marriage was never legit, how can the kids it produces be legit?

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Catholic annulment declares that a couple didn’t have some ingredient necessary for a valid marriage.

For a marriage to be valid — for it to be something “God has joined together” — a couple needs to…

Be able to exchange consent, and do so freely and unconditionally
Consent to fidelity, indissolubility, and openness to children
Not have any impediments to marriage (see below)
Follow the sacrament properly
Church law recognizes twelve specific impediments to marriage. They include things like coercion, being too young, already being married, blood or in-law relations, having received holy orders, being under vows of chastity, or being impotent (permanently unable to engage in sexual intercourse).

But besides these specific impediments, all four of the above requirements have to be met. If they are all met, then the marriage itself is valid. If not, it’s invalid.

No — children of a marriage that’s determined to be invalid by a Catholic annulment, are still legitimate. (Code of Canon Law, canon 1137)

When a couple marries, they assume the marriage is valid and was entered into in good faith. Children conceived under this assumption of a valid marriage, are considered to be legitimate.

This fact does not change even if the marriage is later found to be not valid.

In the United States, Catholic annulment does not affect any state civil laws. It is unrelated to civil concerns such as illegitimacy, child custody, alimony, visitation rights, or division of property.

My pleasure. There's a lot of misunderstanding surrounding annulments.

frick that guy. I doubt he even believes in God.

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quote: This is why I've turned my back on the Catholic Church. Also one big reason my cradle catholic husband has done the same. I understand your frustration with the molestation. I don't see what the evil actions of a small percentage of humans has to do with the divinity of Christ and the value of receiving the sacraments though. While pedophilia is something I thankfully don't understand and will never condone, the Church is actually acting like Christ by showing mercy. Obviously the Church has a responsibility to keep children safe. The sex abuse is such an evil and disgusting situation.

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I agree with you about everything EXCEPT showing mercy to the pedo priests. The law is the law and priests, just like the politicians, should NOT be above the law.

This pope is very questionable. I still attend Mass every Sunday etc etc because the Catholic faith itself is not defined by man - not by a shady pope and not by pedophile priests.

Whether y'all realize it or not many on here have a strong case that gay men should be held in suspicion.

I dont have a personal problem with gays but do not agree with their lifestyle.

As for pedos, they need to be hung from the nearest oak.

Milo is Catholic