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The Catholic church has had a huge black eye regarding pedophilia & child molestation for a long, long time. That being said, Pope Francis is arguably the worst leader they've ever had.
I have my doubts that he was even chosen Pope under legitimate circumstances.
c'mon ... this would be occurring under any pope ... catholic church does a lot of good all over the world, but it's curious the way it (and other institutions such as police organizations) refuse to punish people who commit acts like this ...
Children then. Priests buggering children. Tens of thousands of cases worldwide- one of the largest criminal conspiracies in our lifetime, and people are lined up a thousand deep to explain it away and parse words.
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but it proves that the catholic priesthood was being run to almost be a safe harbor for pedophiles
"pedophiles" - that word actually means something, you know, and it doesn't include people who abuse 14 year olds. Those people are vile as well for abusing their power, for sexualizing young men before they are ready for it mentally, etc etc etc (and its particularly vile from people who are supposed to be moral and spiritual guides), but it's a fundamentally different thing than the kind of sickos that prey on pre-pubescent children.
That difference explains why non-monstrous people did things like move Priests around instead of whatever you think you would have done in the situation.
The Church heirarchy is currently infested to an unknown extent with sexually perverted men. It's a huge problem for Catholics to deal with. We need to root them out.
But it's got very little to do with you bunch of Church haters who wouldn't have Western Civilization at all without the Church whose oldest traditions you pretend to be informed enough to judge.
#militantcatholic
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Children then. Priests buggering children
"Children" according to modern definitions of that word, but not pre-pubescent humans.
If a high school teacher has sex with a physically mature student, we don't call them a pedophile, at least not those of us with brains. We don't think a 24 year old coach attracted to a 16 year old student is a sicko, because that would be retarded and ignorant.
So if a Priest does the same with an altar boy who is physically mature, it's awful but it's simply not "toddlers" or "children". It's fundamentally different.
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people are lined up a thousand deep to explain it away and parse words
There's no explaining it away, but the words matter.
Have some on here not learned yet that everything...yes everything is decided politically...let me take you back to the basics(remember how Lombardi started every camp...He held up a football in one hand and said."This is a football!"...true story)
And Plato said in his republic,"There are only two things in life...contemplation and politics!" For the intellectually challenge like dgd901, this was his way of saying that once you leave the friendly confines of your mind, you enter the arena of politics...and I therefore say, there is thought and actions...but squirts only hide out in their mom's basement or attic...luckily I don't have to deal with squirts except when I live rent free in dgd901's head
And Plato said in his republic,"There are only two things in life...contemplation and politics!" For the intellectually challenge like dgd901, this was his way of saying that once you leave the friendly confines of your mind, you enter the arena of politics...and I therefore say, there is thought and actions...but squirts only hide out in their mom's basement or attic...luckily I don't have to deal with squirts except when I live rent free in dgd901's head
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Whatever keeps you motivated to throw that money in the collection plate every week .
I hadn't pegged you for such thoughtlessness.
Everybody has their weak points, I guess.
I'm sick of people making excuses for the Catholic Church and their systematic sexual abuse of children, and their endless cover- up. If that's a weak point, I'll gladly take it.
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re: Pope cut penalties for pedophile priests including letting two off with a prayerPosted by larry289 on 2/25/17 at 8:38 pm to Pinecone Repair
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When a divorced person is less worthy of full communion than a pedophile there's a significant problem.
This is incorrect. Radical Sanation.
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I'm sick of people making excuses for the Catholic Church and their systematic sexual abuse of children, and their endless cover- up. If that's a weak point, I'll gladly take it.
Children, huh?
Dumb
re: Pope cut penalties for pedophile priests including letting two off with a prayerPosted by 4cubbies on 2/25/17 at 8:49 pm to Pinecone Repair
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don't think Jesus would approve of shuffling priests around to different parishes rather than banning them outright.
I agree.
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When a divorced person is less worthy of full communion than a pedophile.
What makes you think that?
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Children, huh? Dumb
If your are going to use semantics as a way to rationalize deviate/criminal behavior with in itself is pretty disturbing, at least get it correct. The use of "children" to describe those abused by priest is in no way incorrect.
child
noun, plural children.
1. a person between birth and full growth;
2. a son or daughter:
3. a baby or infant.
4. a human fetus.
5. a childish person:
6. a descendant:
7. any person or thing regarded as the product or result of particular agencies, influences, etc.:
12 is young even by less modern standards. It doesn't surprise me, though, that a gay priest would try to sexualize a 12 year old boy who had gone through puberty.
As Milo, said, that sort of thing is not uncommon in the gay community.
Beyond wanting to fight against the calumny involved in calling the Church a pedophile ring, when the reality is that for the most part this was gay priests preying on teenagers, I think that calling abuse of post-pubescent people "pedophilia" has the perverse effect of normalizing all pedophilia in the subconscious of the public. We need to reserve a special word for the kind of sickness that leads a person to seek sexual contact with little kids. Conflating them with people who feel biologically sensible attraction to reproductive age "children" is bad. Can't you see that?
It's not been very long since we allowed people to marry young teenagers. Can't you see that it's possible we are going to do that again one day? The "must be 18 for sex" norm we hold today is basically the last vestige of prudishness that still exists in the modern West. Why is it even that way now? I know that you as a parent understand why it's a bad idea for young women to engage in sex. But do you realize how large a percentage of adults now don't have children? It would not surprise me at all to see that cultural norm change and society revert to a more biology-based age of consent. When that happens, I don't want actual pedophilia to be "innocent by association" because we've been muddying the meaning of that word.
As Milo, said, that sort of thing is not uncommon in the gay community.
Beyond wanting to fight against the calumny involved in calling the Church a pedophile ring, when the reality is that for the most part this was gay priests preying on teenagers, I think that calling abuse of post-pubescent people "pedophilia" has the perverse effect of normalizing all pedophilia in the subconscious of the public. We need to reserve a special word for the kind of sickness that leads a person to seek sexual contact with little kids. Conflating them with people who feel biologically sensible attraction to reproductive age "children" is bad. Can't you see that?
It's not been very long since we allowed people to marry young teenagers. Can't you see that it's possible we are going to do that again one day? The "must be 18 for sex" norm we hold today is basically the last vestige of prudishness that still exists in the modern West. Why is it even that way now? I know that you as a parent understand why it's a bad idea for young women to engage in sex. But do you realize how large a percentage of adults now don't have children? It would not surprise me at all to see that cultural norm change and society revert to a more biology-based age of consent. When that happens, I don't want actual pedophilia to be "innocent by association" because we've been muddying the meaning of that word.
re: Pope cut penalties for pedophile priests including letting two off with a prayerPosted by 4cubbies on 2/25/17 at 9:18 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I think it's sad that this question needs to be asked at all.
Obviously. No sane person rejoices at the occurrence of sex abuse. Does it need to be stated that sane people are disgusted by it?
re: Pope cut penalties for pedophile priests including letting two off with a prayerPosted by beatbammer on 2/25/17 at 9:30 pm to Bench McElroy
The Pedophile Priest scandal happened primarily during the liberalized church of the 60's and 70's.
Now, the perfect liberal pope decides to forgive what the liberal church wrought.
Franky seems to have squared the liberal catholic circle.
Now, the perfect liberal pope decides to forgive what the liberal church wrought.
Franky seems to have squared the liberal catholic circle.
You are all over the place. Age of consent and differences in the severity of sex with a five year old and a fifteen year old was not what I was responding to . I was responding to the Catholic Church , once again, slapping child sexual abuser priests on the wrist . And you seized on the word " toddler" ( I saw the word five when I skimmed the op) and used it to once again, for maybe the hundredth time on this board this week, explain the definition of the word pedophilia . Age of consent, societal mores about the age of consent, are separate conversations from the seemingly endless sexual predation by priests that turns my stomach and devalues the church's moral authority. I'm fricking sick of these stories and of people defending the church at the expense of the powerless. The church deserves every word of criticism it gets and then some.
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The church deserves every word of criticism it gets and then some
Agree, as long as the words are true.
And they invited the false words too, but that doesn't make the false true.
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