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re: Politics and Faith
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:53 am to GAAtty70
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:53 am to GAAtty70
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So no free will.
In a certain sense, there is free will. Suppose you put a long line of cocaine in front of a cocaine addict and tell him, "It's all yours." He technically has free will not to snort it. But you know he will.
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:53 am to GAAtty70
Maybe the people who wrote the Bible had dyslexia. They meant to say we should worship Dog.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:55 am to GAAtty70
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So no free will.
Your understanding of free will in this scenario is predicated upon a God that operates on the same chronological timeline that we do and has the same perception of time that we have.
God transcends time. God knows what will happen, not because we don't have free will, but because he exists in the past, present, and future.
This, of course, is metaphysical speculation. But not at all implausible for anyone who believes in an omnipotent and omnipresent God.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 10:56 am
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:58 am to GAAtty70
I have read other posts from you , you at the very least have voted for other Democrats.
You don't like Trump.
Abortion is the main platform of the Democrat Party.
If you condone abortion you aren't a Christian.
You don't like Trump.
Abortion is the main platform of the Democrat Party.
If you condone abortion you aren't a Christian.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:09 am to stat19
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Please tell me a single good stance on the Democrat side. I honestly can't find a single good stance they aren't forced to pretend to adapt.
It's more what they claim to symbolize, such as compassion, empathy, charity.
Not so much their actions, but the thin veil that they hide behind.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:13 am to 93and99
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I have read other posts from you , you at the very least have voted for other Democrats.
You don't like Trump.
Abortion is the main platform of the Democrat Party.
If you condone abortion you aren't a Christian.
So if I understand the logical progression:
Only Christians will be spared hellfire and damnation.
If you vote for a democrat you are not a Christian.
If you vote democrat you will be damned to eternal hellfire.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:28 am to UGATiger26
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But not at all implausible for anyone who believes in an omnipotent and omnipresent God.
Nothing is impossible once you claim the metaphysical, but that does not in and of itself make a given claim plausible.
And you’re still left with the problem of a god who knew the failures and suffering of his creation prior to its existence and decided to proceed anyway. Carried to its logical end, we’re left with the inescapable conclusion that anyone who ends up in hell is there because of god. He created certain people knowing they would suffer eternally in hell, which is clearly a fate worse than never existing at all.
Now, such a god COULD exist. That doesn’t mean it’s a likely or desirable reality, and it’s certainly a reality which we have no evifence for.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:52 am to GAAtty70
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If you vote democrat you will be damned to eternal hellfire.
Put on your critical thinking cap.
If you have read the bible. do you really think god supports abortion?
Abortion is the barbaric butchering of a fetus (the innocent).
There is no way in hell god supports that act.
Again,a REAL Christian would never vote for the party of abortion.
That's a fact.
Thinking cap
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 11:59 am
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:00 pm to 93and99
Abortion was common during the occupation by Rome. In fact, the majority of the identical tools used in the process are used today. Abortion is not referred to in the Bible. However, there are plenty of references that indicate otherwise. When Racheal with child met Mary with child ...Racheal's baby leapt with joy. The fetus has a soul.
I sat through a sermon by a pastor on the topic of Abortion.
Other than videos and pictures ...one outstanding belief vocalized by Pastor rings true to me.
One the day of Judgment. Those condemned will be marched forward while millions of aborted souls cry out for redemption. Guess what happens to those that supported Abortion openly?
I sat through a sermon by a pastor on the topic of Abortion.
Other than videos and pictures ...one outstanding belief vocalized by Pastor rings true to me.
One the day of Judgment. Those condemned will be marched forward while millions of aborted souls cry out for redemption. Guess what happens to those that supported Abortion openly?
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:03 pm to 93and99
Bible also says life begins at first breath.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 1:01 pm to TigerAxeOK
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It's more what they claim to symbolize, such as compassion, empathy, charity.
So, a lie.
Last I checked, lying was bad - not good.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 1:02 pm to GAAtty70
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If you think I am wrong, tell me where I am missing the truth.
It sounds like you don't know Jesus, so I would start there with your missing the truth.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 1:03 pm to GAAtty70
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Do you believe that God has any interest in politics generally or American politics specifically?
Absolutely not. Render to Cesar what is Cesars.
Religion is a deeply personal relationship between you and God.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 10/20/20 at 1:07 pm to Marciano1
I doubt God approves of killing newborns and 8 year old transgenders.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 1:22 pm to The Maj
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It sounds like you don't know Jesus, so I would start there with your missing the truth.
No sir. As I said before, as a life long Episcopalian, I am redeemed as a believer in Christ as my savior. Not sure where you would have gotten any other idea from what I have said here other than a discussion on free will.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 2:33 pm to 93and99
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Again,a REAL Christian would never vote for the party of abortion.
That's a fact.
Not only is that not a fact, it's a logical fallacy.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 2:44 pm to FooManChoo
so if this is true then God could stop children from being abused and raped and trafficed. once again i will say it if this is the god you believe in he is an a-hole.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 2:46 pm to GAAtty70
I just squashed a spider on my front porch. God is sovereign over that. So of course he is sovereign over politics.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 2:47 pm to GAAtty70
Nah, he is too busy creating pandemics and passing out childhood cancer to worry about politics.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 2:53 pm to GAAtty70
In one sense I think God exists above and outside of politics. In another sense I think issues like abortion make him burn with anger and I would pity being someone who is contributing to such a practice in any way.
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