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re: Paddock bought 33 guns since October 2016

Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:43 pm to
Posted by diplip
the Mars Hotel
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:43 pm to
Dear diary...
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:45 pm to
Yeah, God forbid do a further background check on someone stockpiling. These have to be what, .1% of gun buyers? We can't spare the FBI to go check on this kind of activity, the type of activity they're supposed to prevent?

You people are fricking nuts.
Posted by 4Ghost
Member since Sep 2016
8518 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:47 pm to
Exactly, there is no central database that stores every long gun purchase by name, or least shouldn't be By Law.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:48 pm to
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I've bought 10 in one year before along with a suppressor.


Ok, so what's the problem with the FBI giving you an additional call, interviewing you for about an hour, and then saying you're good to go? I don't think this clashes with the Second Amendment. This isn't a remotely unreasonable request given how few people buy 2 figures worth of guns a year.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 7:50 pm
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:49 pm to
quote:

Step 3: I now have probable cause
No, you don’t.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:49 pm to
Sandy Hook shooter wasn't a collector.

Let's say LV only bought 2 guns, it still would have done the same damage as the 30 plus guns he had.

I know several people that have multiple AR platforms set up for different shooting situations IE hunting, sport, rather than change out scopes every time they want to shoot.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:49 pm to
How does the FBI have time to make tens of thousands of calls for 1 hour each?
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:50 pm to
quote:

God forbid do a further background check on someone stockpiling.


Stockpiling arms is against the law? Even when they've already passed multiple background checks? What's the definition of "stockpiling"? Is it 3? 4? 7?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:50 pm to
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How does the FBI have time to make tens of thousands of calls for 1 hour each?


I'm willing to bet that the number of people in this country that buy more than 5 guns a year is in the triple or four digit range tops.
Posted by 4Ghost
Member since Sep 2016
8518 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:51 pm to
What you are talking about could lead/enable mass confication by "the man"! Not no, but hell no!
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37472 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:56 pm to
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I'm willing to bet that the number of people in this country that buy more than 5 guns a year is in the triple or four digit range tops.


You'd be wrong

Also border states like Texas report to the ATF if someone buys more than 2 ARs I think at one time. It's up to the ATF whether or not they look into it
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:57 pm to
quote:

I win a lottery and I'll buy 33 guns in a month. Some of you that fixate on things like this are so clueless.
I actually used this (well acquiring money in any way) as an example that makes sudden acquisitions reasonable.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90502 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:36 pm to
If I had his money id have a class 3 license and own all kinds of firearms, including full auto.

Why?

Because I can and its my right
Posted by Wild Thang
YAW YAW Fooball Nation
Member since Jun 2009
44181 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:43 pm to
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it's awfully coincidental that after you went from an Obama (perceived as Pro-Muslim) follower to a Trump (perceived as Anti-Muslim) follower, Paddock switched sides as well.


Wait what? When has this been confirmed?
Posted by 03GeeTee
Oklahomastan
Member since Oct 2010
3371 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:49 pm to
quote:

I'm willing to bet that the number of people in this country that buy more than 5 guns a year is in the triple or four digit range tops.


Wrong. I personally know more than a dozen people that buy 5 or more guns/ year most years. It would probably surprise you how many people there are nationally that would be over that number. Hell I've bought 3 guns so far this year myself.
Posted by Wild Thang
YAW YAW Fooball Nation
Member since Jun 2009
44181 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:49 pm to
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33 in one year. That is one hell of an enthusiast. Anyone who does that should go through hours of intense questioning.


Wait, what?

My dad had a walk in closet of like 70 firearms. He was an a-hole, but no killer.

frick you you sick fascist prick
Posted by ladyluckUGA
Member since Feb 2014
6365 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:56 pm to
quote:

stockpiling 33 guns in under a year



don't think of this in a way of 'why would a crazy, lone wolf dude do this', but under what other circumstances would this make sense?
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35346 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:59 pm to
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If he's just a collector, he should be able to say that when they pay him a visit.




Then what good would it do to stop a man who was planning a suicide mission? All henwould have to do is lie and say he's a collector, then go about his mass murdering
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:59 pm to
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If I had his money id have a class 3 license and own all kinds of firearms, including full auto.

Why?

Because I can and its my right
Which my logical signed supports, and my logical side wins out.

But I sense that by highlighting how my, irrational emotional side would conclude, made it seem otherwise.

I guess I just wanted to show how the things that may have prevented THIS EVENT would make a likely conclusion based on emotional reasoning that we should use what may have prevented this attack to prevent future attacks. And I had to make sure my logical reasoning was based on the same concept to effectively refute it.

And since I've seen that same emotional conclusion before, I think it's a good idea to prepare to refute the specific aspects of the emotional argument with the logical argument.

And while the legal (constitutional) basis is ultimately a requirement, I don't think politicians and those in the public using an emotional argument are going to put much stock in the legal argument since it likely won't address the basis of their reasoning.

So I think it's a good front line defense for the legal basis to try to refute the emotional argument to limit the support and decrease the chances something comes of it and forced to the last line of defense in the courtroom.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:03 pm to
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My dad had a walk in closet of like 70 firearms. He was an a-hole, but no killer.


Do you doubt that your dad could pass some questioning? Then I'm not calling him a killer. But since you self described him as an a-hole, the acorn fell straight down.
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