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Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:57 pm to Antonio Moss
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And they have different budgets from various sources. That's what this is about. Money is annually funneled away from the unincorporated area to subsidize the budgets of the agencies within the city. The money doesn't move the other way.
For years it was the other way around, fwiw. And there are services operated by the "city" that serves the entire parish.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:00 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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For years it was the other way around, fwiw. And there are services operated by the "city" that serves the entire parish.
You're going to have to provide me some evidence on that. Are you claiming that there are services that are only offered to the unincorporated areas whose budgets are subsidized from tax revenue collected in the City limits?
I'm not saying they aren't. I've just never run across them.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:00 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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For years it was the other way around, fwiw. And there are services operated by the "city" that serves the entire parish.
I'm legitimately curious as to what those are? Have a list?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:03 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I don't think you know how annexation works. The metro council has to be approached by the citizens or businesses that want to be annexed. The Mall would have never even considered annexation before because it's likely that their property taxes will go up
You keep saying taxes will likely go up, but that hasn't been demonstrated by anyone without an agenda.
But we do know taxes just went up because the parish leaders carved up a big district to vote their way on CATS.
So if I'm a business owner and I'm thinking about what to do, do I go with the known big tax and spender (BR) or the conservative but unknown SG group?
Right now, I don't have to make a decision. I can sign the petition, and then listen to the debate before the election.
I have a feeling that SG is being overtaxed and that's just because of the way the city is reacting to all of this. I believe there will be plenty of tax money to run a city, and later a school system.
Keep in mind too, if a new ISD is permitted, property values in SG will go up. Watch. That means more property taxes.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:04 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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And there are services operated by the "city" that serves the entire parish
For instance?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:07 pm to MJM
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Good. It's an issue that will affect the whole parish so the whole parish should have a chance to vote on it.
Why do you love tyranny of the majority? It's a disgusting thing to love.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:09 pm to Sentrius
I ask the same question I asked in the thread yesterday, how can the state put change the requirements mid-year?
I could see if they passed this bs and it went effective 2015, but that isn't the case.
I could see if they passed this bs and it went effective 2015, but that isn't the case.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:12 pm to doubleb
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You keep saying taxes will likely go up, but that hasn't been demonstrated by anyone without an agenda.
I think you misunderstood me. I said property taxes will go up on the mall once they are annexed into the city of Baton Rouge. Celtic said the discounted fire dept rating helps offset that though.
SG can be as conservative as they want. Central is. They failed at passing a new tax after they incorporated so they didn't have the revenue they needed. They had to have another tax election which passed.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:18 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I think you misunderstood me
I did
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I said property taxes will go up on the mall once they are annexed into the city of Baton Rouge.
They would if they are annexed.
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Celtic said the discounted fire dept rating helps offset that though
It might go down, and it might not. Right now the Mall is covered by SG Fire, where is the closest BRFD Station?
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SG can be as conservative as they want. Central is. They failed at passing a new tax after they incorporated so they didn't have the revenue they needed. They had to have another tax election which passed.
Exactly, I believe the sales tax in SG is way greater per capital than Central so a SG city would probably be flush.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:21 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I think you misunderstood
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Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:22 pm to Antonio Moss
just checking back in to see if there is a list of services the city of BR provides the entire parish.
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Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:26 pm to theunknownknight
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just checking back in to see if there is a list of services the city of BR provides the entire parish
I'd like a list of those too.
I know the city has its own PD, FD, Constable, and Courts. Anything else????
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:27 pm to Antonio Moss
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So will all of East Baton Rouge Parish get to vote on initiatives that only affect BR City now?
Apologize if this has been addressed before, but I am not reading through all the posts.
People in East Baton Rouge but outside the city of baton rouge already DO have say into how the city runs. Hell, people in Zachary, Baker and Central get to vote for Metrocouncil members that run city government including on budgets on city services.
How is that fair to City of Baton Rouge residents? But it was tolerated because we have a consolidated city-parish government and well 'go team Baton Rouge.' If anything, my voice as a resident of the city is diluted because non-city folks get to weigh in on EVERYTHING, even city matters. But I have never complained about that because I think a consolidated government is worth it.
I am not a fan of the ex post facto nature of this bill. That said you can't ignore the consolidated nature of Baton Rouge City-Parish. St. George isn't just some unincorporated area. It is part of the City-Parish government and it breaking away could very well affect people outside of the area. If St. George residents got to have a say in how the city ran it's business for the past 60+ years, I don't think it is crazy I should have some say whether they get to break away.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:28 pm to theunknownknight
There actually are a few:
CATS (technically)
Libraries
Schools
BREC
roads (via DOT, but the lion's share of the main roads are state hwys that fall under the jurisdiction of DOTD)
Water (independent contractor, aka BR Water Co)
CATS (technically)
Libraries
Schools
BREC
roads (via DOT, but the lion's share of the main roads are state hwys that fall under the jurisdiction of DOTD)
Water (independent contractor, aka BR Water Co)
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:28 pm to doubleb
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I know the city has its own PD, FD, Constable, and Courts. Anything else????
Fire Department
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:32 pm to doubleb
Taxes collected from within the city limits also go towards the 19th JDC, the BR Metro Airport, DA's office, Tax Assessor, Sheriff.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:34 pm to kingbob
CATS is a metro system, not confined to the city.
Libraries, we have a parish wide system
Schools, the EBR system serves a defined area as do the Zachary, Central and Baker systems.
BREC serves the entire parish
Roads we have city streets, parish roads, state roads and federal highways.
Water, we have a large private system serving most if not all of the city and a private company serving most of the parish.
I believe the question was whether or not the outlying areas had services provided by the city that the city did not also enjoy.
Libraries, we have a parish wide system
Schools, the EBR system serves a defined area as do the Zachary, Central and Baker systems.
BREC serves the entire parish
Roads we have city streets, parish roads, state roads and federal highways.
Water, we have a large private system serving most if not all of the city and a private company serving most of the parish.
I believe the question was whether or not the outlying areas had services provided by the city that the city did not also enjoy.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:36 pm to doubleb
Oh, I misunderstood the question, my apologies
Also, city and parish roads are maintained by the same body
Also, city and parish roads are maintained by the same body
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