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re: Often unqualified affirmative action students like Kamala Harris fail the bar exam

Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:18 am to
Posted by udtiger
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:18 am to
This is why so many worthless attorneys get degrees.

The schools figure the Bar Exam will weed them out, which worked until they retooled the La. Bar Exam a few years ago.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19307 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:20 am to
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Professional standards probably should be set by industry.


Except in some cases the industry sets the standards so that competitors are kept out.

1500 hours of required cosmetology courses so you can braid hair? Seriously?
Posted by Balloon Huffer
Member since Sep 2010
3421 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:21 am to
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We operated under the Constitution for 98 years before the first Bar Exam.


You mean during the time of slavery? So you believe that the way we did things back then should be the same?

What a dumb frick.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:22 am to
And then there is the case of Dr. Chavous, the black guy who was admitted to med school with much lower scores than Bakke (who was rejected because he's white). Chavous soon lost his license when he killed a woman while doing liposuction. Friggin' liposuction. That's like 'Did ya here about poor Bob? He went to the dentist to get a cavity filled. Killed him.'
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:24 am to
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I would venture to say anyone in the top 20 or so percentile intelligence-wise, with a college degree, would have a decent shot to pass a bar exam with two months of intensive study.



3 years of material in 60 days? Not easy.

What they did before they changed the format was teach what had been on prior exams, that wont work anymore.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145136 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:27 am to
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I have no doubt that if they'd give me a couple of months to prepare, I could pass the bar.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260225 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:30 am to
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Except in some cases the industry sets the standards so that competitors are kept out.

1500 hours of required cosmetology courses so you can braid hair? Seriously?


I believe those are State standards.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:36 am to
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Except in some cases the industry sets the standards so that competitors are kept out.

1500 hours of required cosmetology courses so you can braid hair? Seriously?


It is overkill for Cosmetology, but they are under the Department of Health. You're dealing with skin, hair, nails, etc. Infectious disease and whatnot.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19307 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:42 am to
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It is overkill for Cosmetology, but they are under the Department of Health.


Actually in Texas they are under Licensing and Regulation.

I agree having training in health and safety practices should be done whenever you're touching another person (Cosmetology, Massage), but that doesn't require 1500 hours.

And now there's a trend to require cosmetologists to take courses in how to spot domestic violence. Because it is believed that people will share things with their stylist that they won't share with someone else. Mandatory CE. (Of course my cosmetologist stepdaughter likes this idea--she also liked Bernie Sanders' idea of free college too)
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26738 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:53 am to
Do you have proof of this legacy conspiracy? Because the admission stats don't reflect your claim. If a bunch of unqualified whites were getting let in, the stats would show it.

Hint: they don't!
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:01 am to
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I would venture to say anyone in the top 20 or so percentile intelligence-wise, with a college degree, would have a decent shot to pass a bar exam with two months of intensive study.


Without law school? No way.

I knew a couple people that failed, one was law review and in all cases it was a result of a failure to prepare, which is a check in the negative column for a future lawyer.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101360 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:02 am to
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I knew a couple people that failed, one was law review and in all cases it was a result of a failure to prepare


That's my point. That's all the bar exam is really.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134846 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:06 am to
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But I forgot, any chance to play up racial stereotypes and castes supersedes principles when it comes to some conservatives politics.

Like saying black people aren't smart enough to pass the bar so we need to do away with it?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27449 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:06 am to
Actually, Abignale studied for about 3 weeks and passed it. A source of much consternation for the LA Bar Association.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:07 am to
Yeah, I understood and agreed with that point but don't believe you could pull it off without law school.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:09 am to
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The dean of the University of San Diego School of Law, Stephen C. Ferruolo, complained to the Times that the bar exam “is an unpredictable and unacceptable impediment for accessibility to the legal profession.”
Dean of shitty law school whose tuition is ten times the barrier a bar exam is wants more shitty students to pay for his summer home
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9614 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:18 am to
What was once considered a noble profession is slowly being reduced to the level of respect which a Chinese dry wall salesman receives.
And they're doing it to themselves.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83929 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:18 am to
Damn, your username is solid.
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9614 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:23 am to
Thanks, I think????
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:26 am to
It's not even a test that's meant to fail you. It's meant to assess basic competency to practice law. Think a "C" grade or higher. Admitting people who can't pass the bar would dishonor the profession and increase malpractice.
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