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re: Often unqualified affirmative action students like Kamala Harris fail the bar exam

Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:25 am to
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22796 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:25 am to
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Obviously we need book smart people in some segments and other intelligent people in others to complement each other.


The licensing exams should be assessing a minimum acceptable standard of competence for the profession. I don't think people can just hate on test just because the specific topics may not be their strong point.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101360 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:26 am to
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Also, a workforce with a diverse skill set could be advantageous.


A diverse skill set? You mean people who aren't adept at the SKILL for which they are supposed to be working?

I don't get what this point means in the context of this particular discussion.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:29 am to
Um the Constitution itself gives the government the right to dictate who can and can not be a lawyer, How can the government ensure that people are getting adequate legal counsel without some sort of "exam" to make sure people are qualified to practice?

In truth, I wish more industries had exams. For example, here in AR anyone can hang up a sign and say "I'm a car mechanic now" and it is pathetic how many people get ripped off by shady assholes who don't know anything about cars.....

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260225 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:29 am to
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Obviously we need book smart people in some segments and other intelligent people in others to complement each other.


Imagine if a white dude walked into an NAACP meeting and said this.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
52964 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:35 am to
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person could probably study for 3-4 months with the barbri materials and other sources (i'm assuming you have access to all summaries/guides + the internet as your sources)

I've had multiple doctors tell me my iq is 180+ so this should be a breeze for me
Posted by volinktown
Member since Apr 2017
452 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:36 am to
I sincerely agree that The admission should be based on applicant's color of skin not score of merit.

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The bar exam was designed and continues to operate as a mechanism for excluding the lower classes from participation in the legal services market. Elizabeth Olson of The New York Times reports that the bar exam as a professional standard “is facing a new round of scrutiny—not just from the test takers but from law school deans and some state legal establishments.” This is a welcome development. The dean of the University of San Diego School of Law, Stephen C. Ferruolo, complained to the Times that the bar exam “is an unpredictable and unacceptable impediment for accessibility to the legal profession.” He is right: The bar exam is a barrier to entry, a form of occupational licensure that restricts access to a particular vocation and reduces market competition.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34891 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:37 am to
Book it...this is across the board; especially in the Government Bureaucracy. It is essentially why the (Progressive) Government has taken over the College loan powers; they can empower Colleges to be 'diploma mills' and fill the 'deep state' Bureaucracy with Prog Ideologues.

What was it the Commies said..."give me the College Professors and you can have the Army" (or something like that).

It's a mess; heading for a showdown.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68450 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:42 am to
im guessing getting in licensed to practice physical therapy, occupational therapy, speech language pathology, etc will now be labeled racist as well.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:44 am to
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I have no doubt that if they'd give me a couple of months to prepare, I could pass the bar. Hell, maybe less than that - didn't Frank Abginale study for only a week and still pass it?




"The bar exam and Ranger School are easy. just give me two weeks to prepare."

Signed:

Loser on Political Talk
Posted by volinktown
Member since Apr 2017
452 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:48 am to
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i do not disagree that white people are doing this too, but the question is why we're OK with institutional discrimination against one minority group to help other minority groups? that is legitimate institutional racism that you're defending



Because Asians are not as violent as others, and they will EARN their right of equal opportunity when they start burning down the streets and robbing houses.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101360 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:53 am to
I would venture to say anyone in the top 20 or so percentile intelligence-wise, with a college degree, would have a decent shot to pass a bar exam with two months of intensive study.

Ranger School would likely be a much tougher go with that time to prepare.
Posted by Balloon Huffer
Member since Sep 2010
3421 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:01 am to
So ignorant. Yet your side will never realize.


Are you calling someone a racist while SIMULTANEOUSLY using a derogatory racial slur?

Why yes, yes you are indeed.

Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79643 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:03 am to
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Lakeboy7


Pfft.

Pogue.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12094 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:09 am to
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Um the Constitution itself gives the government the right to dictate who can and can not be a lawyer, How can the government ensure that people are getting adequate legal counsel without some sort of "exam" to make sure people are qualified to practice?

We operated under the Constitution for 98 years before the first Bar Exam.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83929 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:12 am to
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LA has a very hard bar exam but the material wasn't hard. it was more time management and stamina for the week



I thought the LA Bar was stupid easy. I found the MS Bar harder.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12094 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:14 am to
Frank Abignale failed it twice but passed it the third time after only eight weeks of study (while also pretended to be a PanAm pilot). He was a 19 year old high school dropout at the time.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19307 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:14 am to
Yet these same people oppose any sort of alternative programs to allow people to teach in schools.

When I retire (likely in 10 years when I turn 62) I would have 40 years of real-world accounting experience (OK, maybe not "real world" since I work for the Feds, but you get the point). However, because I don't have a teacher's degree, I couldn't teach business classes in a local school district.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83929 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:16 am to
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When I retire (likely in 10 years when I turn 62) I would have 40 years of real-world accounting experience (OK, maybe not "real world" since I work for the Feds, but you get the point). However, because I don't have a teacher's degree, I couldn't teach business classes in a local school district.



Really? I figured you could so long as you took the Praxis or whatever it is.
Posted by Friscodog
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2009
4470 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:16 am to
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How it's weigh though is more important. We've all seen the cases of people who are book smart but not intelligent. People that knew everything but couldn't apply it for shite.


And this is how the real world works. I've hired Java and J2EE developers for years. I have had people show up for interviews that were JAVA and J2EE Sun Certified engineers. I did not hire one. They had no actual practical experience, all they had were textbook examples and theories. Not what I needed to get the job done.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12094 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:16 am to
Einstein couldn't teach high school science in Louisiana.
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