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re: Obama's presidency: by the numbers (Gallup)
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:24 pm to Hawkeye95
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:24 pm to Hawkeye95
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yes, if 9/11 hadn't happened, they would be almost identical.
Sorry for your poll loss.
If 9/11 hadn't have happened, we wouldn't have been in Iraq, and yall would have to point to something else to justify Obama's terrible presidency.
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Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:26 pm to SirWinston
Obama vs. Clinton
Obama vs. Reagan
Obama vs. Reagan
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:30 pm to GRTiger
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If 9/11 hadn't have happened, we wouldn't have been in Iraq, and yall would have to point to something else to justify Obama's terrible presidency.
Cheney had a hard on for iraq, since he couldn't "finish" in 91, he wanted to finish under bush.
don't underestimate the control he had of the presidency.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:34 pm to GRTiger
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My thoughts are that this country is too divided and there are too many people that base their approval on the party. How could anyone have "strongly" approved or disapproved after only 6 months into his presidency? That's pure partisanship
If you didn't buy the propaganda, and even bothered to look into a fraction of what the guy was about, there's no way you would not "stongly dissaprove" of him upon his arrival. Party had nothing to do with it.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:35 pm to 4LSU2
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Each and every person that helped him along the way are guilty of treason, IMO and should have to give up their citizenship.
Hey, Ann Coulter posts on the PT!!
Hey Ann!
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:36 pm to RidiculousHype
Thanks. It's astounding to me that Clinton was over 50% for so long. He really was one of a kind.
Reagan is remembered more fondly it seems, but his approval ratings weren't much higher (if at all) than Clintons were.
Reagan is remembered more fondly it seems, but his approval ratings weren't much higher (if at all) than Clintons were.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:52 pm to Hawkeye95
They still needed congressional approval (something Obama has no time for). Those blood thirsty Dems wouldn't have given them the go ahead, even if the blood thirsty Pubs would have.
Iraq was bad, but even in hindsight, Bush respected the laws enough to do it according to constitutional law. We can't even get that out of the constitutional scholar in the white house today. That's what makes him worse beyond argument.
Iraq was bad, but even in hindsight, Bush respected the laws enough to do it according to constitutional law. We can't even get that out of the constitutional scholar in the white house today. That's what makes him worse beyond argument.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:53 pm to SirWinston
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Thanks. It's astounding to me that Clinton was over 50% for so long. He really was one of a kind.
its the economy stupid.
when you have low UE, strong growth and a booming stock market, any president would be popular. Even obama.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 12:57 pm to 91TIGER
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If you didn't buy the propaganda, and even bothered to look into a fraction of what the guy was about, there's no way you would not "stongly dissaprove" of him upon his arrival. Party had nothing to do with it.
What he was about only played into your prediction of how he would handle his presidency. In 2014, I strongly disapprove of the job he has done. Having those strong feelings of the job he actually did 6 months in was based on guesses, and more likely, partisanship. If you strongly disapproved of his presidency as soon as he became president, that is based in emotion.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 1:00 pm to GRTiger
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Iraq was bad, but even in hindsight, Bush respected the laws enough to do it according to constitutional law.
well except lying to congress and the american people.
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We can't even get that out of the constitutional scholar in the white house today. That's what makes him worse beyond argument.
I hear this alot and I am not sure I can find his glaring constitutional errors, outside of 4th amendment infractions. can you elaborate?
Posted on 8/29/14 at 1:10 pm to Hawkeye95
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well except lying to congress and the american people.
This is why the country is so divided. You can't even be honest about it. Again, Iraq was bad enough as it is, but using intel that turned out to be bad is not the same as lying. It's just one thing some people will never look at objectively.
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I hear this alot and I am not sure I can find his glaring constitutional errors, outside of 4th amendment infractions. can you elaborate?
He picks and chooses which laws he will enforce. He didn't get congressional approval before giving up 5 terrorists for a deserter. He as at the very least complicit in attacks on political opponents. He has spent 6 years ignoring the checks and balances implemented at the founding of this country. Some of us think those are still important.
You are such a moral crusader against Bush, but you look the other way when it comes to Obama. Pure partisan hackery that will be the undoing of this nation. I can say Bush deserves the low approval rating and criticism for wasting so many American dollars and lives in wars we didn't need to fight. Some of you can never say things like that about Obama.
Maybe it will take another Republican in office doing the same dumb shite he has done for you to finally admit it. We'll see.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 1:11 pm to bamarep
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Thoughts?
I hope this doesn't upset his golf game tomorrow when he hears this on the news later this evening.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 1:19 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Nah. The intel mistakes were just some actions by low-level rogue agents.
well except lying to congress and the american people.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 1:21 pm to RidiculousHype
Obama has a hardcore base of inner city residents and rural blacks what will never disapprove of him. Bush, or any republican for that matter, did not have that built in army of hardcore zealots.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 1:22 pm to Taxing Authority
Did anybody ever apologize to poor Hans Blix? He was the UN inspector that everybody pilloried, mocked, etc for saying there were no WMD's.
I feel like Rush and Hannity should have to apologize to him
I feel like Rush and Hannity should have to apologize to him
Posted on 8/29/14 at 1:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Obama has a hardcore base of inner city residents and rural blacks what will never disapprove of him. Bush, or any republican for that matter, did not have that built in army of hardcore zealots.
Shirley you can't be serious. The Religious Right? The NRA? The Military?Posted on 8/29/14 at 1:55 pm to GRTiger
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This is why the country is so divided. You can't even be honest about it. Again, Iraq was bad enough as it is, but using intel that turned out to be bad is not the same as lying. It's just one thing some people will never look at objectively.
Exactly. in this case, the person not looking at this objectively is YOU.
Phase 2 on iraq justification from senate intelligence committee
Its very long but it reviews the intelligence claims. On page, 71 it says there was no link between al queda and iraq, and it was misrepresented.
On page 82, it goes even further and says the threat of iraq giving WMD to terrorist organizations was "contradindicated by available intelligence" i.e. they lied.
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He picks and chooses which laws he will enforce.
what part of the constitution does this violate?
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He didn't get congressional approval before giving up 5 terrorists for a deserter.
what part of the constitution does this violate?
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He has spent 6 years ignoring the checks and balances implemented at the founding of this country.
such as?
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You are such a moral crusader against Bush, but you look the other way when it comes to Obama. Pure partisan hackery that will be the undoing of this nation. I can say Bush deserves the low approval rating and criticism for wasting so many American dollars and lives in wars we didn't need to fight. Some of you can never say things like that about Obama.
honestly I think obama sucks. I didn't vote for him in 08 or 12. I just think yall have gone completely overboard on hating him. I know you want believe this, b.c anyone who doesn't follow the obama hatred meme here is perceived as a supporter.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 2:09 pm to SirWinston
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It's astounding to me that Clinton was over 50% for so long. He really was one of a kind.
Reagan is remembered more fondly it seems, but his approval ratings weren't much higher (if at all) than Clintons were.
Clinton probably would already be being remembered far more fondly than he is, if it weren't for being associated with Hillary.
Remember how uncool Bill became all of a sudden in the 2008 Dem primaries?
Posted on 8/29/14 at 2:39 pm to Clete Purcel
That would make for a great campaign ad by republicans.
Democratic senator shown in home state, trying to avoid a super imposed Obama who is yelling out, but Mary, you voted with me 93 percent of the time.
Democratic senator shown in home state, trying to avoid a super imposed Obama who is yelling out, but Mary, you voted with me 93 percent of the time.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 5:06 pm to theunknownknight
He plans his golf trips
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