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re: Obama Cuts Hazard Pay for Soldiers Serving in Harm’s Way
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:18 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:18 am to EZE Tiger Fan
When you combine Iraq and Afghanistan, both wars bush started, far more troops were killed under bush's watch.
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Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:21 am to TT9
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When you combine Iraq and Afghanistan, both wars bush started, far more troops were killed under bush's watch.
You are correct. I was thinking just Afghanistan since that is where my family members have spent the majority of their time. Part of the reason I take those things quite personally.
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You're retarded as the coach you cheer for.
Yet he's a millionaire. Go figure.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:22 am to Homesick Tiger
What a slime ball
I can't wait until they rip obamacare up. His presidency will have been totally meaningless
I can't wait until they rip obamacare up. His presidency will have been totally meaningless
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:24 am to DelU249
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I can't wait until they rip obamacare up. His presidency will have been totally meaningless
Rip up Obamacare? What world do you live in?
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:26 am to Lsut81
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Ok, call me crazy, but this makes sense
Is there any place in the Middle East that troops can walk around outside of their compound without being mandated to carry their weapons? If so, you have a point. If not, then you don't, imfo.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:31 am to Lsut81
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Ok, call me crazy, but this makes sense
Sounds like a smart business move. A private company would do the same and we always bitch that the govt should be run more cost effective.
Ya want to know the funny part? This is a great example of people looking under the wrong shell.
The dirty secret of how wartime pay works out is that it's basically a GIANT gift to the top dogs in the military while they hand out crumbs to the guys actually being shot at. What do I mean?
Well. Few people pay attention to the fact that time in a war zone is tax free. Well, that seems awesome for all, but in reality, it aint.
You see, the E4 who has a kid almost certainly had zero tax liability in the first place. Meanwhile, check out this fun.
The typical 0-6 in theater has a base pay of about $9100 per month. Of course they also get the hazard pay. But, what do you suppose the monthly benefit of not paying taxes on $9100 is for most of those dudes.
NOW for the best part. I am friends with an Army couple who deployed from Feb-Feb a few years ago. They were two officers in the grades of 0-6 and 0-4 respectively. Base pay combined about $15,500 monthly. The year they deployed, they qualified for the Earned Income credit and the credit for child care. Why? Well, as far as the tax man was concerned that year, they earned about $15,500.(January).
So. I do find it amusing(not really) when our a-hole senior officers sit on the floor of congress pleading poverty but NEVER, repeat NEVER look to give up any of their royal treatment.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:32 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:Kuwait. Where until recently they received hazard pay.
Is there any place in the Middle East that troops can walk around outside of their compound without being mandated to carry their weapons? If so, you have a point. If not, then you don't, imfo.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:39 am to Homesick Tiger
I'd like to differentiate. The cut to the monthly stipend for those actually IN danger zones is petty bull shite and our senior officers can go frick themselves.
The cuts to people getting hazard pay in areas that long since shouldn't have been getting it is fine.
The cuts to people getting hazard pay in areas that long since shouldn't have been getting it is fine.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:42 am to dante
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Another ploy by Obama to lower the morale of our soldiers.
Never listen to what the man says about a situation. Wait and watch what he does. Seldom are the two the same.
Hammer meet Nail.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:48 am to Big12fan
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I don't have a problem with it
Of course you don't. You're not the one packing a rifle in a combat zone.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:49 am to TT9
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Well the upshot is that with Obama, (unlike our last president) far less soldiers will be in harms way.
You're looking at the trees, rather than the forest. While not defending W's policies in SW Asia, particularly Iraq, Obama's amateurish foreign policy is putting us all in grave, grave danger - just as Clinton's did.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:51 am to TT9
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When you combine Iraq and Afghanistan, both wars bush started, far more troops were killed under bush's watch.
Al-Queda started the Afghanistan War.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:52 am to ShortyRob
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The year they deployed, they qualified for the Earned Income credit and the credit for child care. Why? Well, as far as the tax man was concerned that year, they earned about $15,500.(January).
Now that is complete fricking bullshite right there... Even more reason for flat tax
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:58 am to dante
An all out assault seems to be taking place against the military, he needs to hurry before he loses the senate. I guess he showed them!
Posted on 6/14/14 at 10:03 am to ShortyRob
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The typical 0-6 in theater has a base pay of about $9100 per month. Of course they also get the hazard pay. But, what do you suppose the monthly benefit of not paying taxes on $9100 is for most of those dudes.
You failed to mention that the tax exclusion is capped well below $9100 - in fact is capped at the maximum pay rate for an enlisted soldier, currently $7509.60 per month, plus IDP/HFP. (Other allowances already aren't taxed, so we're talking only about the taxable portion of military pay, or base pay.)
And, you also failed to mention that contractors don't pay taxes on their income in those areas, either, and often make 1 1/2 to 2 times what O-6s make.
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Posted on 6/14/14 at 10:29 am to Lsut81
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Now that is complete fricking bullshite right there... Even more reason for flat tax
How would a flat tax fix that? Posted on 6/14/14 at 10:33 am to Lsut81
quote:It's the dirty secret of combat pay.
Now that is complete fricking bullshite right there... Even more reason for flat tax
I haven't worked out the math, but I'll bet you dollars to donuts that the cumulative effect of the tax free status for 0-4s and above is greater than the petty skimming of partial months from junior joes.
But, even if it isn't, you can bet that the next time you see an officer on the floor of congress arguing for reductions in what I refer to as "royalty expenses" will be the fricking first.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 10:34 am to TT9
quote:You mean the two wars that the Democrats were wholeheartedly for until they saw they could make political hay by opposing them?
When you combine Iraq and Afghanistan, both wars bush started,
Posted on 6/14/14 at 10:35 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Oh. True enough. A complete oversight on my part because I knew a lot of contractors and yeah, they avoid a good deal of taxes too.
And, you also failed to mention that contractors don't pay taxes on their income in those areas, either, and often make 1 1/2 to 2 times what O-6s make.
quote:Well, I did say "base pay" in my original posts.
(Other allowances already aren't taxed, so we're talking only about the taxable portion of military pay, or base pay.)
The point being, E4 Joe really gets pretty much negligible benefit from that "benefit". By far, the biggest beneficiaries are those in theater least likely to be shot at.
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