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re: New Orleans Airport--why Landrieu thinks his sister is great
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:06 am to Golfer
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:06 am to Golfer
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Right now you can't switch concourses if needed.
That is true. I can't think of a time I had to switch concourses.
I guarantee you this I would much, much rather MSY be my home airport than BNA, IAH, DAL, ATL, HOU, MCO, DFW or either of the Chicago airports.
What city would you like to swap with as your base airport?
This post was edited on 12/6/14 at 10:07 am
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Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:06 am to I B Freeman
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In the eighties there were a lot more airlines operating out of MSY and a lot more international flights. I suspect a lot more domestic flights then too but I am not sure of that. It was a small hub for Delta and there were connecting flights from MSY. MSY is now for the most part a destination airport and is nobody's hub. I am not sure there are any international flights there now. Are they?
Hub and Spoke model wasn't in full effect then primarily because of the need to refuel. MSY had a lot of international flights because planes from Europe couldn't make it to Central and South America without stopping so they needed a place to refuel.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:07 am to I B Freeman
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What city would you like to swap with as your base airport?
Of those you listed, ATL and DFW.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:08 am to Golfer
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Hub and Spoke model wasn't in full effect then primarily because of the need to refuel. MSY had a lot of international flights because planes from Europe couldn't make it to Central and South America without stopping so they needed a place to refuel.
And there wasn't even a D concourse then. The airport can handle a large increase in traffic now.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:10 am to Golfer
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Of those you listed, ATL and DFW.
I haven't been through security at DFW, but I was amazed how efficient ATL ran with their security. I got stranded in ATL one year and had to stay overnight at a hotel I was amazed how quickly I got through security despite the heavy heavy volume of traffic at that airport. They know how to run an efficient airport, but they have 3 and 4 flights taking off and landing at a time so they have to be.
Note: KMSY is pretty busy this morning well at-least in the last few minuets, I've heard about 5 or 6 planes fly overhead this morning.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:11 am to I B Freeman
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That is true. I can't think of a time I had to switch concourses.
I've had to do it 3 or 4 times. Because of the need to move to another flight because of a delay.
The new MSY would all be one terminal and connected concourses (I'd imagine like AUS or JAX).
I'm also just pointing out the issues with it...not that we need a new one.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:11 am to Golfer
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Of those you listed, ATL and DFW
You don't value your time much.
I would take those I guess if most of my travel was international but for domestic I hate them.
Talk about TSA nightmares try Atlanta during the holidays or as you say some special event. I always allow an hour to get through that airport from the rental car parking.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:12 am to I B Freeman
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And there wasn't even a D concourse then. The airport can handle a large increase in traffic now.
I've noticed the airport is pretty busy this morning, and can be very busy, of course it's not ATL or DFW busy, but there can be stretches of time during the day where one runway where a plane takes off a couple min later a plane lands. In the 15 or so minuets I've sat at my computer I think about 10 flights have either departed or arrived. All on one runway.
I'm not saying we can't increase traffic, but there is more at issue than just gate space for a large airport.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:14 am to I B Freeman
ATL is the most efficient run major airport in the world. Hands down.
DFW's Issue is their security screening.
And why are we talking about the rental cars? I thought this would be my home airport?
DFW's Issue is their security screening.
And why are we talking about the rental cars? I thought this would be my home airport?
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:15 am to catholictigerfan
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I've noticed the airport is pretty busy this morning, and can be very busy, of course it's not ATL or DFW busy, but there can be stretches of time during the day where one runway where a plane takes off a couple min later a plane lands. In the 15 or so minuets I've sat at my computer I think about 10 flights have either departed or arrived. All on one runway.
I'm not saying we can't increase traffic, but there is more at issue than just gate space for a large airport.
Mitch is not proposing new runways.
No doubt our runways can handle more flights.
ATL has over 900000 takeoff and landing per year on 5 runways. We don't have a tenth of that and have three.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:15 am to Golfer
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ATL is the most efficient run major airport in the world. Hands down.
It's a pain to travel through just because of the shear volume of people you run into but your right it is very efficient.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:19 am to I B Freeman
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We don't have a tenth of that and have three.
Two for commercial use. And I think they closed the other one.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:22 am to Golfer
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ATL is the most efficient run major airport in the world. Hands down.
and has the most delays in the US. A fifteen minute thunderstorm there in July will delay 100 flights.
Oh it is very efficient given it's traffic but it is not easier for a passenger to park, get to the gate and return, go to baggage claim and go back to their car.
No way.
ATL does not make an efficient passenger unless it is international. Heck the largest domestic airline in the USA, SWA has very little presence there relatively speaking. SWA will only fly Airtran's international flights out of there before long plus the ATL destination flights. There will be very few SWA domestic flights that connect through ATL.
Years ago ATL to MSY was a scheduled hour flight on Delta. Now it is a hour and forty two minutes.
You will never sit in line at MSY on the runway for an hour waiting to take off.
This post was edited on 12/6/14 at 10:24 am
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:25 am to I B Freeman
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ATL has over 900000 takeoff and landing per year on 5 runways. We don't have a tenth of that and have three.
there is a big difference between Us and ATL.
here is KMSY
Notice the runways run two different directions. The 2 runways that can be used by commercial traffic. is
1/19
10/28
this morning the wind is out of the west at 8mph. That means planes will depart and arrive on runway 28. Meaning even though we have 2 runways usable by commercial traffic only one is able to be used this morning. the 3rd runway is tiny and can't be used by commercial traffic.
compare this to KATL.
Each of the 5 runways point in the same direction.
You have
8L/26R
8R/26L
9L/27R
9R/27L
10/28
That means you can have 5 planes landing or taking off at the same time and there will be no collisions.
So while KMSY could maybe at a peak handle 20 planes an hour or so. A plane taking or and landing about every 3 minuets. KATL can handle 100 planes an hour.
There are just guesses, but I think it's possible that KATL handles 200 flights an hour. I remember timing the arrivals of KDCA when I was visiting DC. I think there was about an arrival every 90 seconds. Meaning they can handle about 45 planes an hour I think. Times that by 5 you get over 200.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:25 am to I B Freeman
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Years ago ATL to MSY was a scheduled hour flight on Delta. Now it is a hour and forty two minutes.
You can thank the DOT for that.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:28 am to I B Freeman
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and has the most delays in the US. A fifteen minute thunderstorm there in July will delay 100 flights.
yeah because they have 100 flights in and out of that airport in an hour at-least.
ATL has the most delays because it is the busiest. MSY has thunderstorms too, but you may have 5 flights delayed or cancled, a thunderstorm rolls through ATL it delays or cancels at-least a hundred flights.
But weather shouldn't factor into the efficiency of an airport. You can't' control mother nature, you can control at what rates planes land and leave an airport.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:31 am to Golfer
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Two for commercial use. And I think they closed the other one.
looking at diagram it looks like they can use 3. 10/28 and 9R/27L are I think private traffic.
Note: Listening to the ATL tower right now I've only heard them say 27R and 26L. 26R may not be used.
I just heard someone land on 28. I think it was private traffic though not sure.
I think the have 4 usable runways but they primarily only use 2 for commercial traffic.
edit: they are extending the runway so to have 3 runways the same length.
LINK
This post was edited on 12/6/14 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:35 am to I B Freeman
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I fly at least 50 flights a year and I will tell you that MSY operates very smoothly relatively speaking. I don't what you are talking about "changing terminals in a clean area".
You really need to travel to better places if you think MSY and efficiency belong in the same sentence.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:39 am to catholictigerfan
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Note: Listening to the ATL tower right now I've only heard them say 27R and 26L. 26R may not be used.
Being lengthened. Work is done on weekends, IIRC.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:41 am to Golfer
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Being lengthened. Work is done on weekends, IIRC.
yeah just found that out.
So they use 9L/27R and 9R/26L for commercial traffic.
And they use 10/28 and maybe 9R/27L for smaller traffic/private.
but they run an efficient airport.
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