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re: Missouri Bill Would Warn Parents of Evolution Boogeyman
Posted on 2/21/14 at 2:54 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 2/21/14 at 2:54 pm to NC_Tigah
Yea, that is the way of the evolutionist, the keep hiden every word that might e expose evolution as a falsehood.
Then show falsities to indoctrinate people, to wit: St. Loiis Zoo shows Lucy with human hands & feet, but Lucy was found with no hands and feet.So this can only be done for indoctrination purposes, and can't be for educational purposes.
If you doubt what Leakey stated LOOK IT IP.
Charles Oxnard a Professor at the University of Western Australia says that Lucy is to different grom both the African Ape and humans to be an intermediary.
The group called australopithecines are UNIQUE.
Then show falsities to indoctrinate people, to wit: St. Loiis Zoo shows Lucy with human hands & feet, but Lucy was found with no hands and feet.So this can only be done for indoctrination purposes, and can't be for educational purposes.
If you doubt what Leakey stated LOOK IT IP.
Charles Oxnard a Professor at the University of Western Australia says that Lucy is to different grom both the African Ape and humans to be an intermediary.
The group called australopithecines are UNIQUE.
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:11 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
quote:We're talking about schoolkids. The goal is to teach. Implying that the subject of Biology might as well not be taught if the endeavor excludes evolution is an audacious overstatement. It is a stupid enough assertion as to enable Creationists to accurately point out its fallacies. That turns the thing into an "I'm no more wrong than the other guy is" justification.
holy false equivalence batman
Politics can use that type justification to advantage. Religion can use that type justification to advantage. Philosophy can use that type justification to advantage.
Science cannot!
In terms of the goal to teach, scientific overstatement steals the opportunity away. There is no excuse for that. None. Especially for a Director of the National Science Teachers Association.
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:11 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
quote:
Charles Oxnard a Professor at the University of Western Australia says that Lucy is to different grom both the African Ape and humans to be an intermediary.
Oxnard has been repeatedly debunked. Repeatedly.
And Leakey has said many many many many times that Lucy was a biped and an early hominid ancestor.
You're quote mining, right out of creationist websites. I found your exact "arguments" right on creationist websites as soon as I googled them.
And then Talk Origins had full rebuttals to this crap.
Besides, do you think Lucy is the only early hominid fossil we have? Lucy is just famous because it was among the first and oldest found.
There are hundreds of intermediate and early hominid fossils.
Not to mention genetics, etc etc etc etc etc.
Why am I bothering here?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:18 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:when did you take biology?
NC_Tigah
Because I think evolution is the central tenet today.
That said, my soon-to-graduate biology major daughter probably knows more about biology than anyone living 30 years ago. And evolution is in the center of that change.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:22 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Implying that the subject of Biology might as well not be taught if the endeavor excludes evolution is an audacious overstatement.
Saying that Evolution is "the unifying theory of biology" does not say that Biology can't be taught at the HS level without it.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:24 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
quote:No. If you claim Leakey said it, LINK IT.
If you doubt what Leakey stated LOOK IT IP.
quote:As I've already told you, that is not Richard Leakey's game . . . at all. For instance, he opined to me there are significant unknowns in the paleoanthropological path to sapiens. Not the kind of thing one does if he is "keeping hidden every word that might expose evolution as a falsehood." But a damn solid approach if one is confident in the science.
that is the way of the evolutionist, the keep hiden every word that might e expose evolution as a falsehood.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:24 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
Oxnard has been repeatedly debunked. Repeatedly.
And Leakey has said many many many many times that Lucy was a biped and an early hominid ancestor.
You're quote mining, right out of creationist websites. I found your exact "arguments" right on creationist websites as soon as I googled them.
And then Talk Origins had full rebuttals to this crap.
Besides, do you think Lucy is the only early hominid fossil we have? Lucy is just famous because it was among the first and oldest found.
There are hundreds of intermediate and early hominid fossils.
Not to mention genetics, etc etc etc etc etc.
Why am I bothering here?
Blah blah piltdown man
Blah blah "insert out-of-context quote"
Blah blah where are the missing links
Did I do it right?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:27 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:Make the latter case.
my soon-to-graduate biology major daughter probably knows more about biology than anyone living 30 years ago. And evolution is in the center of that change.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:29 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Still interchanging the terms "theory" and "principle"?
Saying that Evolution is "the unifying theory of biology"
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:33 pm to NC_Tigah
The reason that Evolution is called the "unifying theory of biology" is because it organizes all of the observations gathered by biologists and proposes and explanation for those observations.
Nothing more.
wat
Nothing more.
quote:
Still interchanging the terms "theory" and "principle"?
wat
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:40 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
I just can't imagine a parent that would want their kid to be at a disadvantage academically and in the job market. You are basically telling your kids, hey don't be a scientist or engineer. These are some of the most lucrative jobs out there. And you won't get far in those fields these days by being a creationist. You will get laughed out of classes, and will fail core courses.
This is 100% false. Being a Creationist would only disqualify you from a very limited number of positions, most of which you wouldn't want anyway.
For example, if you have two physicians, one a YEC and one an evolutionist, but they have the exact same level of knowledge and expertise with regard to their profession, then their metaphysical beliefs would not make any difference.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:44 pm to TigersforEver
quote:
evolutionist
Not a term.
I think his point is that it would be very difficult to get that far. You MUST learn Evolution as part of an advanced biology curriculum nowadays.
So basically you'd have to learn it and just disregard it.
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:48 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
Not a term.
I think his point is that it would be very difficult to get that far. You MUST learn Evolution as part of an advanced biology curriculum nowadays.
So basically you'd have to learn it and just disregard it.
Okay - one who subscribes to the Modern Evolutionary Synthesis. Better?
Sure it would be taught to them along the way, but they could disregard it as antitheistic scientism and stick with YEC.
I'm not saying this is or isn't the right thing to do, but I am saying that doing so, by itself, would have no impact on, say, one's surgical skills.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:51 pm to TigersforEver
quote:
Modern Evolutionary Synthesis. Better?
Not really. Why use a term at all? We don't use a term for people that believe in gravity.
How about "person"?
quote:
I'm not saying this is or isn't the right thing to do, but I am saying that doing so, by itself, would have no impact on, say, one's surgical skills.
I guess not. But honestly, if I found out my surgeon was a YEC, I would request another. I would just assume they were a total idiot.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:53 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Sigh . . . For about the 5th time . . . . the OP link is the source of discussion here. David Evans, the executive director for the National Science Teachers Association, told The Kansas City Star that “Evolution by natural selection is the unifying principle in the study of biology.”
Still interchanging the terms "theory" and "principle"?
wat
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:59 pm to NC_Tigah
Hey man, I'm just quoting the National Academy of Sciences.
Besides, who gives a frick? You really like to focus on extremely minor things. You're a strange guy.
Besides, who gives a frick? You really like to focus on extremely minor things. You're a strange guy.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:13 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Where the statement you are quoting is debatable, the statement I am quoting from the OP is not in the least. That is no minor thing.
You really like to focus on extremely minor things. You're a strange guy.
Nor is precision strange.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:15 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:and while we're focusing on minor things, what's up with your sensitivity regarding the term evolutionist?
You really like to focus on extremely minor things
Posted on 2/21/14 at 5:19 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:your case has only been to say it isn't
David Evans, the executive director for the National Science Teachers Association, told The Kansas City Star that “Evolution by natural selection is the unifying principle in the study of biology.”
Posted on 2/21/14 at 5:32 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
nd while we're focusing on minor things, what's up with your sensitivity regarding the term evolutionist
It's an invented term used strategically by creationists to put proponents of Evolution and an equal playing field with them, by making it seem a religion.
It's disingenuous.
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