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re: Missouri Bill Would Warn Parents of Evolution Boogeyman
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:23 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:23 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Explain.
I suspect you unwittingly answered your own question.
quote:I'll define "it" as any theistic explanation. If I'm teaching all of the steps known in evolution or at least strongly implied, it would seem to me that an atheist can think that's all there is and that a theist can think that God caused all of those steps.
But to clarify "should one of his students bring 'it' up," it all depends on what the meaning of "it" is.
In that way, evolution really is no different than any other scientific class. If I point out the atomic properties of Iron and a students stands up and says, "I think God caused those specific properties", how is that different than if I'm teaching about what has been learned regarding evolution?
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:32 pm to SettleDown
quote:There is a difference between "theistic explanation," and a theistic question as you initially implied.
I'll define "it" as any theistic explanation.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:43 pm to iAmBatman
quote:
Evolution is not taught in the Bible so it shouldn't be taught in the class," parent Brandon Eastwood told the station. "Even if I had to spend some time in jail I wouldn't subject my kids to that nonsense."
well with this logic you can say neither math nor world war II are taught in the bible, so it shouldn't be taught in class
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:49 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Sounds like someone is making that claim
You have poor reading comprehension skills.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:49 pm to JOJO Hammer
quote:
well with this logic you can say neither math nor world war II are taught in the bible, so it shouldn't be taught in class
I've been lobbying the legislature for this for years!!!
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:53 pm to emcee422
quote:You'd be better off taking a different tact.
You have poor reading comprehension skills.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:53 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
How does DNA "only make sense in light of what we know about evolution by natural selection"
amazing how you quote me but omit THE CAPITALIZED PORTION capitalization generally implies some import realtive to the rest of the sentence
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:53 pm to iAmBatman
quote:
this is why you should have to get registered to procreate
Sometimes I wonder whether people really are stupid and cruel enough to mean it when they say things like this.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:54 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
You'd be better off taking a different tact.
i think you meant tack
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:56 pm to TigerRad
quote:and to think I sail
i think you meant tack
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:58 pm to TigerRad
quote:Question being posed is, How does DNA "only make sense in light of what we know about evolution by natural selection"
How does DNA "only make sense in light of what we know about evolution by natural selection"
amazing how you quote me but omit THE CAPITALIZED PORTION
capitalization generally implies some import realtive to the rest of the sentence
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:59 pm to JOJO Hammer
quote:
Evolution is not taught in the Bible so it shouldn't be taught in the class," parent Brandon Eastwood told the station. "Even if I had to spend some time in jail I wouldn't subject my kids to that nonsense."
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:01 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Question being posed
...is not the claim that I made
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:06 pm to TigerRad
quote:Address the question, and we'll see.
...is not the claim that I made
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:10 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
You'd be better off taking a different tact.
What conclusion am I to draw then? You're misrepresenting previous statements and arguments. I've said that evolution is important and should be taught in schools. The bill referenced in the OP is at least allowing that to happen rather than shoehorning creation into the mix. I never said you can't learn other aspects of biology without evolution, but why would you when it provides a deeper understanding of these items and how they interconnect.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:12 pm to iAmBatman
quote:
"Evolution is not taught in the Bible so it shouldn't be taught in the class," parent Brandon Eastwood told the station. "Even if I had to spend some time in jail I wouldn't subject my kids to that nonsense."
Neither is gravity. fricking morons like this give Christians a bad name.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:14 pm to emcee422
The point is that Evolution is, most definitely, the unifying theory of biology.
However, it is not required to have a deep understanding of it to teach the basic biology taught in HS.
At a deeper level, if one was say, a biology major, obviously a deep understanding would be needed.
However, it is not required to have a deep understanding of it to teach the basic biology taught in HS.
At a deeper level, if one was say, a biology major, obviously a deep understanding would be needed.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:15 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
Neither is gravity. fricking morons like this give Christians a bad name.
Neither is pretty much anything taught in a modern science class at all. Is his conclusion, just don't teach science?
The fact that people like that are given a platform...
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:15 pm to emcee422
quote:Perhaps that I read portions of your link that you didn't?
What conclusion am I to draw then?
I could relate it to "reading comprehension," but I suspect you just missed that part of the article.
quote:
David Evans, the executive director for the National Science Teachers Association, told The Kansas City Star that . . . “Evolution by natural selection is the unifying principle in the study of biology”
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:18 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
David Evans, the executive director for the National Science Teachers Association, told The Kansas City Star that . . . “Evolution by natural selection is the unifying principle in the study of biology”
Well. He's right.
Again, however, for purposes of a HS Science class, it isn't really necessary to get into depth. All those kids are doing is memorizing shite they are going to forget in 2 days. So they can "understand" (ie memorize) stuff with out a deep understanding of Evolution.
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