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re: Mattis as defense secretary: What it means for us, the military, and for Trump
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:59 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:59 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:To who the JCS?
There's no reason those task forces couldn't have reported directly to the pentagon.
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:01 pm to Ace Midnight
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The Commandant is always a marine, jarhead.
True.
And he always calls the Secretary of the Navy sir.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:03 pm to Jbird
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To who the JCS?
They can report directly to the President for all I care. JCS is there to administrate the military. If I'm president and I have my troops fighting a war overseas I'm not calling the secdef, who then calls JCS, who then calls the COCOM, who then calls the TF commander to figure out what's going on and then relay it all the way back up the chain of command. I'll just put an general in charge of the operation and have him report directly to me. Then I can go to JCS and get their advice on what I've been told or how to procede.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:06 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:How do you select said General?
I'll just put an general in charge of the operation and have him report directly to me.
quote:That was the old system just with CoCom layered in, I am hesitant to go back to the old days of having to slice up the mission so each a-hole on the JCS feels they were part of the team.
I'm not calling the secded, who then calls JCS, who then calls the COCOM, who then calla the TF commander
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:07 pm to Jbird
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How do you select said General?
Find one that was promoted without kissing arse. That'd be a start.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:08 pm to Jbird
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slice up the mission so each a-hole on the JCS feels they were part of the team.
HAHA, well that's part of the new system too
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:08 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
My brief time on the CJTF 180 staff (Afghanistan 2003) bears this out. We had a three star command (XVIII ABC) over a brigade minus (elements of 505 PIR). And ISAF was in Kabul doing mil to mil. We are bloated beyond measure in C2 functions.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:09 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
CENTCOM under General Tommy Franks was in overall command of OIF with a Coalition Land Forces Component Command under General McKiernan Third Army Commander and General Moseley 9th Air Force Commander.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:10 pm to Jbird
quote:Depends on the operation.
How do you select said General?
quote:Well if the army and air force were stationed at home and a lot smaller like they shoulf be this wouldn't he a problem.
I am hesitant to go back to the old days of having to slice up the mission so each a-hole on the JCS feels they were part of the team.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:11 pm to Jbird
They can do like we did in WW2 and take a tactical command and assign it the C2 mission. A service component command level. And that SCC could report directly to the JCS.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:11 pm to MrCarton
quote:Yes under "one" hat versus the JCS setting around politicking the game while Rome smolders.
HAHA, well that's part of the new system too
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:12 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Who selects the General?
Depends on the operation.
quote:
Well if the army and air force were stationed at home and a lot smaller like they shoulf be this wouldn't he a problem.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:12 pm to OleWar
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CENTCOM under General Tommy Franks was in overall command of OIF with a Coalition Land Forces Component Command under General McKiernan Third Army Commander and General Moseley 9th Air Force Commander.
Cool. Why did we need a COCOM to put a guy in charge of two units in Iraq?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:12 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:fact
We are bloated beyond measure in C2 functions.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:13 pm to Jbird
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they are too imperial in form, having Generals think that a whole area of their world as their AO is stupid and dangerous.This I agree with.
To play devil's advocate a bit, they force "purple" planning and actions closer to the operations and with arguably less tribalism.
I don't know that they are the right answer, but a case can be made that they cut down on the factionalism that would result from the NCR being sole hub for planning and activity.
One way to clarify would be to reorganize as wolfhound and others laid out: USMC interests abroad/light to medium short-term power projection, Navy all things Nautical, Army big and slow but business when you mean it.
There are some pretty compelling arguments for folding the USAF back into big Army. Probably worth another thread some time, but the existence of a separate air force is a lame idea born out of what the European militaries did after WWI. Integrated air arms (USMC, US Navy) can be equally effective.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:13 pm to OleWar
CJFLCC/3A replicated functions of the Corps HQ (MNF-I) which was in theater actually managing the fighting by the divisions. Ridiculous.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:13 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Hmm...
They can do like we did in WW2 and take a tactical command and assign it the C2 mission. A service component command level. And that SCC could report directly to the JCS.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:14 pm to Jbird
quote:The president? Secdef? Who cares? The point is it shouldn't be COCOM.
Who selects the General?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:14 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
we needed another Mattis thread the other 5 or 6 of them was not enough.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:14 pm to Jbird
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Yes under "one" hat versus the JCS setting around politicking the game while Rome smolders
Haha. Well now that we have the one hat solution, it seems much of the smoldering is being started by CENTCOM
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