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Mattis as defense secretary: What it means for us, the military, and for Trump

Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:31 pm
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:31 pm
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 described him as “a tough-minded realist, someone who’d rather have tea with you than shoot you, but is happy to end the conversation either way.” 


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Mattis is against isolationism and a fan of what he calls “continued American engagement in the world.” He also believes that “compromise[is] … a fundamental necessity at the heart of democratic government.” (Warning to Pentagoners: Mattis also is anti-PowerPoint, which he says “makes us stupid.”) 
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Having Mattis run the Defense Department would put the Marines in their most powerful position ever — they’d have the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman Joint Chief of Staff, and the commandant. If I were the Army I’d hunker down and plan for the future for a few years

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As I’ve said before, even in retirement, Mattis having worn four stars will outrank Lieutenant General Flynn’s retired three stars. Mattis also is far smarter, and better educated, than Flynn. That will help contain Flynn

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Who would have thought that the best thing for one’s career was to be pushed out by the White House? That’s effectively true of David Petraeus as well. Now he reportedly is being considered for secretary of State. If he is tapped, that will mean that one of Trump’s first act is to give high positions to three generals pushed out by Obama’s White House




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Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:32 pm to
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Mattis is against isolationism and a fan of what he calls “continued American engagement in the world.


frick that.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:32 pm to
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the commandant.


The Commandant is always a marine, jarhead.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:36 pm to
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Anti- power point


frick yea I like this guy
Posted by MrCarton
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:36 pm to
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Most of all, I would say, Mattis is meditative. In reviewing the case of Lieutenant Colonel Allen West, an Army artillery battalion commander who fired a handgun next to the ear of a detainee he was interrogating, Mattis wrote, “this shows a commander who has lost his moral balance or watched too many Hollywood movies.” (After leaving the Army, West went on to become a one-term Republican congressman from Florida and then, of course, a Fox news commentator.)


I took so much shite for saying West was a turd. Suck it.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:37 pm to
I didn't write the article army boy
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:38 pm to
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I didn't write the article army boy


Aren't you an Army boy as well?
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:39 pm to
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I took so much shite for saying West was a turd. Suck it.
Not a fan of AW. Period.
Posted by TigerPride10
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:39 pm to
FWIW, these two implications are historically at odds with each other without an explanation of why he favors the latter:

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“a tough-minded realist,


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“continued American engagement in the world.”


Most American foreign policy leaders of the last century have not been realists, but they have all favored American engagement (the Nixon and Eisenhower administrations being the most glaring exceptions). Unlike a realist, they embrace a messianic foreign policy that sees the spread of American ideals as a necessity for global peace.

I do like Mattis, however, and I believe that he is the right man for the job. I would like to know more about how he, himself, views the coming hegemonic order (and America's place in it) of the next few decades
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:40 pm to
That's Grandstanding Allen West to you, punk.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:40 pm to
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Aren't you an Army boy as well?
Negative he is a head of jar.
Posted by TheHumanTornado
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:42 pm to
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Tru


Damn, thought this was about No Limit
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:42 pm to
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Negative he is a head of jar.


Pretty sure he's in the National Guard
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:42 pm to
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Army
He is semi-Army. He is DoD identity conflicted right now. Give him space.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:43 pm to
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Pretty sure he's in the National Guard
Marine that went to the ANG for a spell. Can't keep up with his movements it appears Wolf has the latest intel.
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Posted by OleWar
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:45 pm to
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the coming hegemonic order


Under what hegemon?
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:45 pm to
As a general (pardon the pun) policy, I have long been opposed to having a former high-ranking military officer as the Secretary of Defense simply because it blurs the line between military and civilian leadership. Civilian leadership should always be above military leadership.

However, in General Mattis' case, I think he might be an exception to my general rule.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:46 pm to
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He is DoD identity conflicted right now.
This is true
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:48 pm to
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I do like Mattis, however, and I believe that he is the right man for the job. I would like to know more about how he, himself, views the coming hegemonic order (and America's place in it) of the next few decades


I think the coming hegemonic order will be, by definition, not hegemonic.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:48 pm to
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That's Grandstanding Allen West to you, punk.
Considering I went further than he did, and have not faced a court-martial, I will just call him Allen.

Fair enough?
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