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re: Mark Dice: CNN endorsed open marriages as “healthy”
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:20 pm to moneyg
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:20 pm to moneyg
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Not at all. I recognize your incentive to try and come to that conclusion though.
I think marriage and fidelity are central to a prosperous and healthy society. I think it's destructive to encourage the alternative.
I think the forefather's mentioned that we all had the right to pursue happiness...and I believe that should come in whatever form we decide...the very idea that someone wants to poke their nose in how you choose to run your marriage should offend you.
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Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:21 pm to asurob1
Government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all, anyway. People should have the freedom to do whatever the hell they want with consenting adults.
However, I am free to also voice my opinion that an open marriage is a suboptimal environment to raise children in.
However, I am free to also voice my opinion that an open marriage is a suboptimal environment to raise children in.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:23 pm to Salmon
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an open marriage actually works, wouldn't that be a better solution at keeping the marriage together than getting a divorce and splitting the family?
What would be better is having severe social stigmas against all of that, just like we used to.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:23 pm to mahdragonz
People that can't stay out of other peoples business.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:25 pm to asurob1
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I think the forefather's mentioned that we all had the right to pursue happiness...and I believe that should come in whatever form we decide...the very idea that someone wants to poke their nose in how you choose to run your marriage should offend you.
You keep wanting to redefine my position. That's a weakness.
I don't want the government to actively prevent anything...even things that I view as destructive to society.
However, espousing a destructive lifestyle deserves criticism. It seems that you want an endorsement of that lifestyle as a good thing. That would be counter to reality, IMO.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:25 pm to Manzielathon
What'd you expect from trumpkins.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:35 pm to moneyg
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I don't want the government to actively prevent anything...even things that I view as destructive to society.
However, espousing a destructive lifestyle deserves criticism. It seems that you want an endorsement of that lifestyle as a good thing. That would be counter to reality, IMO.
We degree on what is destructive. Our president certainly didn't view multiple affairs with multiple wives as destructive. Many MANY, people within this very thread defended his actions in various ways. A lot of them are the same people crying about open marriages. You can't have it both ways.
I simply don't think that people doing what they feel like doing with other consenting adults is anything but people doing what makes them happy.
It certainly isn't "destroying" society in any way. You get one life to live. How you choose to live it should be up to you and you alone.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:37 pm to Manzielathon
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Tang as he wants to
Unless you're a top 3% looking male this is false. A mediocre to good looking female can get laid whenever she wants. A female friend of mine showed us her dating apps, on some days she gets 20 fricking matches an hour
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:39 pm to asurob1
Being happy doesn't translate to what is good for society. I'm not saying behavior in the bedroom should be illegal but it's my view that this kind of thing is bad for society at large
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:41 pm to NIH
quote:Agreed. People need to stop pretending like societal immorality is hunky dory so long as those committing it are happy with it.
Being happy doesn't translate to what is good for society. I'm not saying behavior in the bedroom should be illegal but it's my view that this kind of thing is bad for society at large
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:49 pm to mahdragonz
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Who gives a shite how people live in their marriages?
What pathetic loser would watch his wife getting crushed by another dude
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:55 pm to FooManChoo
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Agreed. People need to stop pretending like societal immorality is hunky dory so long as those committing it are happy with it.
Why?
When gays were allowed to legally wed...did it destroy marriage in your eyes?
Did people suddenly stop getting married?
Did the wedding industry crank to a halt?
Nothing changed with marriage except a few more people got to be happy.
(And no doubt some divorces lawyers added new customers).
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:58 pm to asurob1
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I think the forefather's mentioned that we all had the right to pursue happiness...and I believe that should come in whatever form we decide...the very idea that someone wants to poke their nose in how you choose to run your marriage should offend you.
The only men who can support this are the men that like having their wife get with other men.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:58 pm to Parmen
Some true champions of personal liberty in this thread. Real conservatives....
Posted on 7/2/18 at 2:02 pm to asurob1
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We degree on what is destructive. Our president certainly didn't view multiple affairs with multiple wives as destructive. Many MANY, people within this very thread defended his actions in various ways. A lot of them are the same people crying about open marriages. You can't have it both ways.
Trump having multiple affairs was most certainly destructive to his marriage and hurt his family. I don't think he behavior was "ok". I don't like it. It's not a litmus test as to whether or not he can be an effective president. That's not having it both ways. You just want that to be the case.
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I simply don't think that people doing what they feel like doing with other consenting adults is anything but people doing what makes them happy.
You aren't being honest. Society flourishes under certain behaviors and struggles under other behaviors. Suggesting that any behavior that meets the criteria of occurring between consenting adults can't be destructive is ridiculous. It's a very self centered point of view.
Marriage is good for the country. Family is good for the country.
I don't know if you have any kids, but if you do, you should consider their happiness rather than solely your own when evaluating behavior. That's the fundamental concept.
The ultimate point is that suggesting that open marriages on a broad scale have no negative impact is wrong. In fact, it will be quite the opposite.
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You get one life to live. How you choose to live it should be up to you and you alone.
Again. You are either having a different conversation or, more likely, are looking for validation. I support your freedom to live your life as you choose. I reject that I have to suspend recognition of the reality of those choices on a broad scale.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 2:03 pm to asurob1
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When gays were allowed to legally wed...did it destroy marriage in your eyes?
Did people suddenly stop getting married?
Did the wedding industry crank to a halt?
Nothing changed with marriage except a few more people got to be happy.
(And no doubt some divorces lawyers added new customers).
Pretty much this.
Kind of hilarious (in a sad way) to see the hardcore Trumpers celebrate his conquests both in and out of wedlock, then turn around and try to act like those in gay or open marriages are automatically reprobates.
Gotta pick where you come down on this kinda shite.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 2:08 pm to Salmon
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If an open marriage actually works
No such thing
Posted on 7/2/18 at 2:10 pm to moneyg
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Trump having multiple affairs was most certainly destructive to his marriage and hurt his family. I don't think he behavior was "ok". I don't like it. It's not a litmus test as to whether or not he can be an effective president. That's not having it both ways.
This is true.
Obama seemed to be a terrific family man. Horrible POTUS, though.
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Suggesting that any behavior that meets the criteria of occurring between consenting adults can't be destructive is ridiculous. It's a very self centered point of view.
I don't agree with this. When it comes to the spectrum of sexual activity between consenting adults, I don't believe it's destructive.
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suggesting that open marriages on a broad scale have no negative impact is wrong. In fact, it will be quite the opposite.
We don't know this for a fact. Hell, similar rhetoric was trotted out once upon a time decrying interracial unions as the potential downfall of society.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 2:22 pm to asurob1
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Why?
When gays were allowed to legally wed...did it destroy marriage in your eyes?
Destroy? That's a strange standard to set. Marriage wasn't destroyed because Marriage is a huge, powerful action that promotes positive outcomes.
Of course redefining it to include gays could have chipped away at its value. It's highly unlikely that redefining something to include activity that previously was excluded would result in identical results. I think it's highly likely that the results would be worse or better.
This is another example of that concept. Trying to redefine marriage to something that it isn't (no longer monogamous) would also chip away at it. It wouldn't destroy the concept. Strong, heterosexual, monogamous marriage would still exist. It would still result in positive outcomes overall. It would still hold value. It wouldn't be "destroyed". But, your definition that includes a lack of fidelity would certainly change it. That version of marriage would result in fewer positive outcomes, IMO.
This post was edited on 7/2/18 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 7/2/18 at 2:25 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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hardcore Trumpers celebrate his conquests both in and out of wedlock,
Billionaires upgrade. Nothing new. I dont remember stories of Trump letting dudes pump Marla Maples while he watched
Hilarious Asurob is trying to justify his sadness
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