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re: Los Angeles passes "ban the box"- firms now cannot ask about crim record on apps
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:28 pm to ClientNumber9
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:28 pm to ClientNumber9
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If I ran a business, I wouldn't hire a felon. And I wouldn't want to work next to one.
Well, that is your choice.
Felons aren't all bad people. You may know someone in your sunday school class who is a felon. Or, a neighbor. Or, one of your kid's friend's parents.
They're not terrorists. Sometimes, people make mistakes and what does it say about a society who punishes them forever?
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Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:32 pm to chalmetteowl
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It means don't crumple up the applications of felons immediately after they leave the room... give them a fair shot to win you over and prove they can do a job
Because no one needs to know they are hiring someone that's been jailed multiple times for theft, right?
No pharmacy should care that an applicant has a history of arrests for selling prescription meds.
And certainly no daycare center should ever need to know that an applicant was ever convicted of aggravated child abuse and/or rape.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:38 pm to Bard
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Because no one needs to know they are hiring someone that's been jailed multiple times for theft, right?
No pharmacy should care that an applicant has a history of arrests for selling prescription meds.
And certainly no daycare center should ever need to know that an applicant was ever convicted of aggravated child abuse and/or rape.
Don't be so dramatic. Background checks still apply.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:38 pm to Bard
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Because no one needs to know they are hiring someone that's been jailed multiple times for theft, right? No pharmacy should care that an applicant has a history of arrests for selling prescription meds. And certainly no daycare center should ever need to know that an applicant was ever convicted of aggravated child abuse and/or rape.
The point of this type of legislation is that you wont know if they are a felon until after the interview. It doesn't preclude background checks to prevent actually hiring a convicted felon.
I have reservation though on making private business waste resources on interviews that will likely never result in a hire.
I'm fine with government sector being subject to it, as they (the government) are the ones pushing to convict all these people and be tough on crime without addressing the underlying issues. They should be forced to review and consider these individuals before rejecting them. After awhile some might rethink just making everything criminal and ignoring what happens when these people get out.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
All you have to do is have them fill out the SSN which is mandatory for tax purposes and then run a 10 dollar background check on them.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:47 pm to BamaCoaster
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I absolutely support this.
The felony label on people should be removed once their sentence is paid if their crime was nonviolent.
The label costs our country literally hundreds of millions of dollars due to lower economic ceilings for those labeled with the scarlet "f", and leads to the high recidivism rate in our country.
Sorry about the felony conviction, bro. What exactly were you in for?
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:51 pm to BamaScoop
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All you have to do is have them fill out the SSN which is mandatory for tax purposes and then run a 10 dollar background check on them.
wow. just... wow.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I guess it's fair if it's something minor they did. Anything major should still have to be put on an application though.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
As long as they can't ban the interview question or ban the background check.
Overreach but it is intended to be better to people whose resumes get thrown in the trash just because there's a check on that box, even if it's hardly nefarious or a long time ago.
Overreach but it is intended to be better to people whose resumes get thrown in the trash just because there's a check on that box, even if it's hardly nefarious or a long time ago.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:57 pm to BamaCoaster
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Felons aren't all bad people. You may know someone in your sunday school class who is a felon. Or, a neighbor. Or, one of your kid's friend's parents. They're not terrorists. Sometimes, people make mistakes and what does it say about a society who punishes them forever?
Answer my questions: Would you want a former child molester teaching your child? Would you want your wife working at the office late and alone with a former rapist?
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:59 pm to ClientNumber9
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Would you want a former child molester teaching your child? Would you want your wife working at the office late and alone with a former rapist?
Of course not.
Now, answer mine:
Felony labels are under a large umbrella.
Felons can be your feared molesters or rapists, or they can be drug dealers or kids in the wrong place at the wrong time, or addicts.
Why punish them all for life with that label and the creation of such a low, economic ceiling that will have far-reaching effects?
Posted on 12/13/16 at 5:01 pm to BamaCoaster
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Why punish them all for life with that label and the creation of such a low, economic ceiling that will have far-reaching effects
this regulation doesn't help this problem in any way. at all. It only prohibits employers from asking questions on an application that could determine the feasibility of a hire. meaning the employer will have to waste more time ($) per hire.
this law doesn't make one "not a felon".
This post was edited on 12/13/16 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 12/13/16 at 5:04 pm to MrCarton
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his regulation doesn't help this problem in any way. at all. It only prohibits employers from asking questions on an application that could determine the feasibility of a hire. meaning the employer will have to waste more time per hire.
this law doesn't make one "not a felon".
Correct, but it a step to removing that label.
Like, pot will not be legalized overnight, but there are many steps taken recently to ensure that someday soon it will be.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 5:06 pm to Oddibe
Ban the box doesn't completely ban background checks. It just prevents background checks until a conditional job offer has been made. I also assume (or at least hope) that background checks are allowed from the beginning for places such as schools and nursing homes.
With that being said I still believe ban the box is a ridiculous, absurd policy.
With that being said I still believe ban the box is a ridiculous, absurd policy.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 5:08 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
As a result of ban the box, a felon might seemingly be offered a job, only to learn on their first day of work that their offer got rescinded because the background check just got carried out.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 5:09 pm to BamaCoaster
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Felons can be your feared molesters or rapists, or they can be drug dealers or kids in the wrong place at the wrong time,
I fricking HATE this line of acceptance for criminal behavior. As if he was just on his way to church, minding his own business when WHAM- he was hit by the felony truck and now he's branded for life.
Being in the wrong place at the wrong time doesn't get you a felony. It gets your pants wet when you're standing on the sidewalk as a passing car hits a rain-filled pothole. It gets you that extra overtime shift you didn't want when your boss sees you coming out of the restroom as he's going in.
I work in law enforcement and by the time a person actually gets a felony conviction, they've generally been arrest 5-6 times and had a shite ton of cases pled down to misdemeanors or dropped altogether.
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Why punish them all for life with that label and the creation of such a low, economic ceiling that will have far-reaching effects?
Sorry but life has consequences. And society sets those rules. Almost no one wants felons working for them, given the choice. So now what- you're left with the government forcing you to hire who you don't want to hire? This seems ok to you?
Posted on 12/13/16 at 5:13 pm to UFFan
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As a result of ban the box, a felon might seemingly be offered a job, only to learn on their first day of work that their offer got rescinded because the background check just got carried out.
Yeah, that'll put him in a good mood.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 5:32 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Just another punch in the gut to small business owners. California can get fricked
Posted on 12/13/16 at 5:47 pm to ClientNumber9
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you're left with the government forcing you to hire who you don't want to hire? This seems ok to you?
How is it possible that, after 4 pages, you don't understand what "ban the box" does?
Posted on 12/13/16 at 5:49 pm to BamaCoaster
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Correct, but it a step to removing that label.
No.
Im all about removing the felony restrictions. 100% for it. That has nothing to do with businesses and everything to do with government.
this is a step in the direction of robbing employers of their rights. employers dont take rights from felons. the government does. Yet here we see government attacking businessmen in a way that does nothing for the plight of felons.
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