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re: Los Angeles passes "ban the box"- firms now cannot ask about crim record on apps
Posted on 12/13/16 at 5:59 pm to ClientNumber9
Posted on 12/13/16 at 5:59 pm to ClientNumber9
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quote: Wrong. If you're a felon, then "good" jobs are not afforded to you. Since you can't land a good job, you go back to crime. Crime leads back to prison, which costs us. Fatherless homes, which costs us. And the cycle grows, which costs us. Look at the larger picture. Boo fricking hoo. If I ran a business, I wouldn't hire a felon. And I wouldn't want to work next to one. Classic NIMBY mindset you have there. Would you want your kid being taught by a "former" child molester? Would you want your wife working late in the office with a "former" rapist? I'm willing to bet you wouldn't.
No, but do you want a person who gets in a fight at the age of 20 and pleads to a felony assault charge to never be able to find gainful employment? Even at the age of say 50?
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:01 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Just another one of Obamas attempts to further destroy the country. He wants criminals with as much access to innocent ppl as possible.
This post was edited on 12/13/16 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:02 pm to BamaCoaster
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I absolutely support this.
The felony label on people should be removed once their sentence is paid if their crime was nonviolent.
The label costs our country literally hundreds of millions of dollars due to lower economic ceilings for those labeled with the scarlet "f", and leads to the high recidivism rate in our country.
I'd prefer we allow employers hire who they want based on the criteria they want.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:03 pm to Madking
Ban the box doesn't prevent the first question in a phone screening of applicants from being "are you a felon?", does it?
This post was edited on 12/13/16 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:04 pm to moneyg
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quote: I absolutely support this. The felony label on people should be removed once their sentence is paid if their crime was nonviolent. The label costs our country literally hundreds of millions of dollars due to lower economic ceilings for those labeled with the scarlet "f", and leads to the high recidivism rate in our country. I'd prefer we allow employers hire who they want based on the criteria they want.
So you'd like to see the current race, creed, sex, age, national origin statutes removed as well?
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:06 pm to SirWinston
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Companies will now have to spend hundreds on background checks now will ultimately hurt new hires
Every company I have worked for or applied for did a background check. Its pretty standard procedure. they do it on every potential employee so they are already spending hundreds. Ban the box doesnt change anything.
I am also for felons getting the label removed after fulfilling their sentence. A pedophile and a drug dealer is 2 different things. A pedophile isnt getting a teaching position but he is ok to work in the clergy. A drug dealer cant get a good job, he will go back to selling drugs.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:07 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Whatever. Can still do background checks, right?
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:07 pm to Dawgfanman
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So you'd like to see the current race, creed, sex, age, national origin statutes removed as well?
Does committing a felony place one in a protected class?
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:08 pm to Dawgfanman
And what's to stop the felin from lying? He's they're a felin remember? I didn't say it would do harm I said attempt to do harm. It's like everything els he does it leans in the direction of dividing ppl.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:08 pm to moneyg
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So you'd like to see the current race, creed, sex, age, national origin statutes removed as well?
Does committing a felony place one in a protected class?
You said you'd like to see them be able to hire based on whatever criteria they want, just seeing if you meant that.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:09 pm to Dawgfanman
These type things are already happening in standardized testing and psychological studies. The current admin doesn't want ppl to be able to identify criminals or bad apples it's a form of protection for wrong doers.
This post was edited on 12/13/16 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:11 pm to Madking
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what's to stop the felin from lying? He's they're a felin remember? I didn't say it would do harm I said attempt to do harm. It's like everything els he does it leans in the direction of dividing ppl.
Nothing, just like nothing stopped them from lying when it was allowed in the application. I know a felon that does this, caise otherwise he'd never get an interview. His crime was 15 years ago and was complete bullshite. He beat a mans arse that was groping his wife, the guy was the cousin of the sherrrif. He pled to a felony to avoid potential 10 year sentence.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:12 pm to Dawgfanman
He should've had a better lawyer.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:14 pm to Dawgfanman
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No, but do you want a person who gets in a fight at the age of 20 and pleads to a felony assault charge to
Are you aware of how the legal system works? Do you really think you get a felony assault charge for getting into a bar fight? The only way you're going to get a sustained felony charge and conviction if the fight you speak of is a guy using a deadly weapon and seriously injuring or killing another person. It's not two guys throwing punches in a parking lot.
And I don't recall saying that that person should never be able to get a job again. But if companies don't want to hire that person, they're within their rights. They should have as much knowledge about the person as possible before making an offer of employment. rightfully so. I don't think we should be hiding information from
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:22 pm to CorporateTiger
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then toss their resume
After a year. CYA
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:23 pm to Dawgfanman
2 problems I see with your story. 1 every application has a few lines below the boxes to explain what your crime was and if your friend explains he got into a fight because someone harassed his wife I'm sure ppl would understand. 2. Judges don't give a shite about what a sherif says or who he's related too. I'm lucky enough to know both judges and our sheriff well and unless you live in a one horse town this doesn't happen. If your friend was facing that bad of a sentence chances are he didn't just subdue the guy with physical force he probly went overboard and that's on him.
This post was edited on 12/13/16 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:35 pm to Oddibe
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Does that mean pedo's can now teach kindergarten? Does that mean background checks can't be run also?
No. Just can't ask on the application. The idea (right or wrong) is they get a hearing on their job skills and/or the interview. You can still run the background check before hiring and decide if anything in there is a dealbreaker.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 6:46 pm to Oddibe
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Does that mean pedo's can now teach kindergarten? Does that mean background checks can't be run also?
Jesus Christ. You guys are full on nuts.
Employers can still run criminal background checks on people before hiring. It's just that a lot of perfectly good people with felonies can't even get an interview.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 7:10 pm to MrCarton
What is so Wow about that?
Posted on 12/13/16 at 7:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
As long as this is a local government issue I have no problems with it provided that background checks cans still be run before the actual hiring. I don't like it at the federal level though. However I dislike most regulations and laws at the federal level.
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