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re: Los Angeles passes "ban the box"- firms now cannot ask about crim record on apps
Posted on 12/13/16 at 3:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 12/13/16 at 3:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Wrong. Someone will get the job, someone won't, regardless of laws like this. If a previous criminal now gets a job over another person, that other person is now out of a job. So it's net 0.
Wrong. If you're a felon, then "good" jobs are not afforded to you. Since you can't land a good job, you go back to crime. Crime leads back to prison, which costs us. Fatherless homes, which costs us. And the cycle grows, which costs us. Look at the larger picture.
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Posted on 12/13/16 at 3:37 pm to BamaCoaster
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Wrong. If you're a felon, then "good" jobs are not afforded to you. Since you can't land a good job, you go back to crime. Crime leads back to prison, which costs us. Fatherless homes, which costs us. And the cycle grows, which costs us. Look at the larger picture.
So the obvious choice is for the government to step in and legislate costly, inefficient procedures that increase the monetary and administrative burdens of businesses, right?
This post was edited on 12/13/16 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 12/13/16 at 3:38 pm to BamaCoaster
quote:If there is one job available, and you have two people seeking it, a previous criminal and someone with no criminal history, then no matter what laws there are, one person will get the job and the salary, and the other will not.
If you're a felon, then "good" jobs are not afforded to you.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 3:39 pm to BamaCoaster
Instead of forcing businesses to do anything, they should incentivize hiring of reformed convicts and let businesses choose if they want to take the risk.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 3:43 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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there is one job available, and you have two people seeking it, a previous criminal and someone with no criminal history, then no matter what laws there are, one person will get the job and the salary, and the other will not.
Right. But, you're casting a larger net, and ending disenfranchisement for tens or hundreds of millions of Americans. Which, should be applauded.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 3:45 pm to BamaCoaster
quote:You're also increasing the chances of millions of Americans of not getting jobs, as well.
Right. But, you're casting a larger net, and ending disenfranchisement for tens or hundreds of millions of Americans. Which, should be applauded.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 3:45 pm to Mo Jeaux
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So the obvious choice is for the government to step in and legislate costly, inefficient procedures that increase the monetary and administrative burdens of businesses, right?
No. The obvious choice is to remove the felonious label for nonviolent criminals once they have served their time.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 3:46 pm to BamaCoaster
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No. The obvious choice is to remove the felonious label for nonviolent criminals once they have served their time.
How would you do that?
Posted on 12/13/16 at 3:50 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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You're also increasing the chances of millions of Americans of not getting jobs, as well.
Well, in a capitalist system, the best and brightest should be rewarded.
We shouldn't punish people for a mistake they made years ago forever, for in doing so we limit their options.
In America, if you get caught with a certain amount of a certain substance, you're a felon. Forever. If you're an addict, you're often branded a felon. If you are in the wrong place at the wrong time as a youth, you're a felon.
I think those labels for nonviolent criminals should be removed. Just my opinion. And, in doing so, would be doing a world of good for our nation as a whole.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 3:51 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Does the firm even have to ask? Can't they just google the applicant's name and find out their entire criminal history?
Posted on 12/13/16 at 3:51 pm to Mo Jeaux
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How would you do that?
Just not label them a felon and restore their rights as everyday citizens. Seems pretty simple.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 3:57 pm to AggieDub14
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isn't taking away any rights from hiring businesses.
...cmon man!
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This post was edited on 12/13/16 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 12/13/16 at 3:58 pm to BamaCoaster
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Wrong. If you're a felon, then "good" jobs are not afforded to you. Since you can't land a good job, you go back to crime. Crime leads back to prison, which costs us. Fatherless homes, which costs us. And the cycle grows, which costs us. Look at the larger picture.
Boo fricking hoo. If I ran a business, I wouldn't hire a felon. And I wouldn't want to work next to one. Classic NIMBY mindset you have there. Would you want your kid being taught by a "former" child molester? Would you want your wife working late in the office with a "former" rapist? I'm willing to bet you wouldn't.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:02 pm to BamaCoaster
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Just not label them a felon and restore their rights as everyday citizens. Seems pretty simple.
Go do some research on what a felon is and why they've lost those rights in the first place. The history goes back several hundred years and is rooted in common law where someone commits an act so heinous and has so violated the contract of civilized society, they lose certain privileges for life, like voting.
Some things you just don't get second chances on and 95% of the country isn't out raping, killing, trafficking heroin or selling meth to teenagers. Sorry this upsets your feels.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:04 pm to ClientNumber9
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Boo fricking hoo. If I ran a business, I wouldn't hire a felon. And I wouldn't want to work next to one. Classic NIMBY mindset you have there. Would you want your kid being taught by a "former" child molester? Would you want your wife working late in the office with a "former" rapist? I'm willing to bet you wouldn't.
No shite man. What the frick is wrong with people who HATE employers so much?
There are plenty of times where I have knowingly hired a felon to do painting for me. I did so because they accepted less pay because I paid in cash. That being said, there are many more jobs that I would not hire a felon for.
Businesses should be able to ask for information about future employees to their hearts content. Nobody is forcing the guy to show up for an application
or interview. Imagine how big a fricking waste this would be if you have 100 felons showing up in a year, only to find out you can't hire them until AFTER you did intial screenings.
frick this. America is dying.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:05 pm to BamaCoaster
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BamaCoaster
Are you a convicted felon?
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:06 pm to ClientNumber9
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Just not label them a felon and restore their rights as everyday citizens. Seems pretty simple.
Go do some research on what a felon is and why they've lost those rights in the first place. The history goes back several hundred years and is rooted in common law where someone commits an act so heinous and has so violated the contract of civilized society, they lose certain privileges for life, like voting.
If they can't be full citizens, don't let them out. Felony restrictions for freed prisoners is fricking retarded.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:10 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
This is no biggie because felons and others with criminal history usual dont check the box anyways. They hope you wont do a background check or in many cases they wait months to do them and by that time you are already a few months on the job. BUT if you do the background check you'll crumple up the app and move on.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:26 pm to MrLarson
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Are you a convicted felon?
No, but I easily could have been if caught using/selling drugs in college.
I have spent time in federal prison (Jessup) doing research about recidivism, and met a ton of felons there. Some were killers, others were drug dealers, others were rapists.
I have never advocated for removing the felonious label of violent criminals, but will preach til the day I die about nonviolent, felony labels and how they do more harm than good.
I know several felons: some drug dealers, some addicts, one banker who pled guilty to embezzling but swears he is innocent, one convicted bookie.
Those guys should not be felons in my opinion.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 4:26 pm to FooManChoo
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Instead of forcing businesses to do anything, they should incentivize hiring of reformed convicts and let businesses choose if they want to take the risk.
Already occurs
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