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re: Let's talk about Rand Paul and his insistence on voting "no" on virtually everything
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:52 am to SoulGlo
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:52 am to SoulGlo
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He represents the State of Kentucky.
His Governor from his own party wanted Graham-Cassidy passed and demanded Rand vote for it while the other senator was voting for it.
If the 17th amendment didn't exist, Rand would've been recalled already.
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Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:52 am to Sentrius
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Libertarian and true conservative grandstanding is almost as bad as the GOPe backstabbing.
I voted for Rand in the primaries last year long after he dropped out and I've had enough with his grandstanding.
Trump really has broken you
It's sad
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:52 am to 3nOut
How can anybody be ideologically "pure" and expect 50 other people to be ideologically "pure" exactly like them?
It's a philosophy doomed to fail.
The system we have was designed through compromise and why we have three branches, two houses determined by two different methods, etc. In a system designed by compromise, how can anyone get anything done without compromise? You can not.
It's a philosophy doomed to fail.
The system we have was designed through compromise and why we have three branches, two houses determined by two different methods, etc. In a system designed by compromise, how can anyone get anything done without compromise? You can not.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
Proposing legislation isn't solving a problem.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:53 am to Salmon
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Rand wanted full repeal and replace,
Actually this is misleading, he wanted repeal only with no replacement and then he backtracked and went back to repeal and replace when he was getting too much heat for repeal only.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:55 am to PrimeTime Money
I probably align with Rand better than any other politician in DC.
But Rand seems to be completely unaware of how we got in the situation we are in in the first place.
Liberals have always understood that instrumentalism is the key to victory. There are virtually no economic policies that exist today from the left that didn't also reside in the liberal purist mind in 1920.
But, the liberal purist recognized they couldn't get all they wanted in 1920 so, anything that went in the direction of what they wanted, they supported and they stood athwart any and all things that stepped back.
Rand needs to understand that while his view of government is absolutely 100% correct, if his dream ever is to be a reality, it will likely come decades after he's dead. And, if it gets there, it will be because 100 steps occurred along the way.
But Rand seems to be completely unaware of how we got in the situation we are in in the first place.
Liberals have always understood that instrumentalism is the key to victory. There are virtually no economic policies that exist today from the left that didn't also reside in the liberal purist mind in 1920.
But, the liberal purist recognized they couldn't get all they wanted in 1920 so, anything that went in the direction of what they wanted, they supported and they stood athwart any and all things that stepped back.
Rand needs to understand that while his view of government is absolutely 100% correct, if his dream ever is to be a reality, it will likely come decades after he's dead. And, if it gets there, it will be because 100 steps occurred along the way.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:55 am to Salmon
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somehow y'all are blaming Rand and not the true people at fault, the majority Republicans
What makes his voice and vote worth more than the other 51 republicans?
Especially conservatives like Mike Lee and Ted Cruz who don't support his grandstanding?
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:56 am to Sentrius
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Actually this is misleading, he wanted repeal only with no replacement and then he backtracked and went back to repeal and replace when he was getting too much heat for repeal only.
He was repeal and replace, then after the 2nd failed attempt, went with repeal with no replacement for compromise (that thing that y'all claim he never does) and when that failed again, he went back to repeal and replace
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:57 am to doubleb
quote:What we have NOW is business as usual. Rand Paul wants to stop that course of action and reverse it. HE'S the one getting "NO" voted. HE'S the one being prevented from affecting change, so that the establishment can continue with its agenda. And that's what you seem to be championing here.
But keep patting yourself on the back and brag about your guy having principles; while we continue business as usual.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:57 am to SoulGlo
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He doesn't represent the Republican Party. He represents the State of Kentucky.
So Kentucky has it's own state presidential election that only affects Kentucky? Are their votes counted in the national election? You can't separate a state election that influences national elections. That's why we don't have 50 presidents in this country.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:57 am to Salmon
Paul should work to bring about change, and while it would be great if he helped do it in one fell swoop, I'd be happy if we got change started and kept at it until we get it right.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:58 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:You didn't understand the point.
So Kentucky has it's own state presidential election that only affects Kentucky? Are their votes counted in the national election? You can't separate a state election that influences national elections. That's why we don't have 50 presidents in this country.
It is correct to say that a Senator represents only his state. That's how our government is set up. He's not there to represent the interests of California. That's why they call it a representative republic.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
You have to govern . You just have to or you hand the keys to those who would destroy you . I’ve been making this pragmatic appeal to my ideological friends for 40 years , since Reagan drove the point home. Ideological purity is fine- more power to you- but when you lose sight of the fact that the American system DEMANDS the formation of coalitions to govern you are really engaging in a kind of Conservative Utopia where you convince yourself that losing is good. It’s not . It leads to even worse defeats of the kind that gave us Obamacare in the first place. You strengthen those who would destroy you whether you will admit it or not. And you marginalize your own voice.
And let’s face it - had Rand compromised he could have extracted further concessions and status over the next couple of years that he could have parlayed into his own political coalition instead of remaining in the wilderness. And then we’d all be better off . As it is now, the failing Status Quo is preserved.
And let’s face it - had Rand compromised he could have extracted further concessions and status over the next couple of years that he could have parlayed into his own political coalition instead of remaining in the wilderness. And then we’d all be better off . As it is now, the failing Status Quo is preserved.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 10:00 am to doubleb
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Paul should work to bring about change
He is, moreso than anybody else
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I'd be happy if we got change started and kept at it until we get it right.
me too, but change just for the sake of change isn't always a good thing
this whole "lets just get the win and move on" thing is why we never get real change
Posted on 10/20/17 at 10:04 am to Salmon
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Trump really has broken you
It's sad
no, he wanted Obamacare repealed. every single time the rubber meets the road, rand can't back anything up. he's a total phony and the rand heads are starting to figure it out.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 10:05 am to Homesick Tiger
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maybe he should put his personal politics aside for the good of the party he represents.
He doesn't represent a party. He represents his constituents and he's doing exactly what they elected him to do.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 10:06 am to DelU249
its like y'all can't even see the irony in some of your posts 
Posted on 10/20/17 at 10:07 am to ShortyRob
I'm just going to repeat myself here cause frankly, most of this thread seems silly from either side.
I probably align with Rand better than any other politician in DC.
But Rand seems to be completely unaware of how we got in the situation we are in in the first place.
Liberals have always understood that instrumentalism is the key to victory. There are virtually no economic policies that exist today from the left that didn't also reside in the liberal purist mind in 1920.
But, the liberal purist recognized they couldn't get all they wanted in 1920 so, anything that went in the direction of what they wanted, they supported and they stood athwart any and all things that stepped back.
Rand needs to understand that while his view of government is absolutely 100% correct, if his dream ever is to be a reality, it will likely come decades after he's dead. And, if it gets there, it will be because 100 steps occurred along the way.
I probably align with Rand better than any other politician in DC.
But Rand seems to be completely unaware of how we got in the situation we are in in the first place.
Liberals have always understood that instrumentalism is the key to victory. There are virtually no economic policies that exist today from the left that didn't also reside in the liberal purist mind in 1920.
But, the liberal purist recognized they couldn't get all they wanted in 1920 so, anything that went in the direction of what they wanted, they supported and they stood athwart any and all things that stepped back.
Rand needs to understand that while his view of government is absolutely 100% correct, if his dream ever is to be a reality, it will likely come decades after he's dead. And, if it gets there, it will be because 100 steps occurred along the way.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 10:08 am to PrimeTime Money
Rand has no governing strategy. He is a knee jerk skeptic on everything and never offers a coherent plan. Don't much care for him.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 10:09 am to Homesick Tiger
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He doesn't represent the Republican Party. He represents the State of Kentucky.
So Kentucky has it's own state presidential election that only affects Kentucky? Are their votes counted in the national election? You can't separate a state election that influences national elections. That's why we don't have 50 presidents in this country.
Where does a presidential election come in to this?
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