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re: Let's talk about Rand Paul and his insistence on voting "no" on virtually everything
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:33 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:33 am to PrimeTime Money
Libertarian and true conservative grandstanding is almost as bad as the GOPe backstabbing.
I voted for Rand in the primaries last year long after he dropped out and I've had enough with his grandstanding.
I voted for Rand in the primaries last year long after he dropped out and I've had enough with his grandstanding.
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Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:35 am to PrimeTime Money
I am sympathetic to much of what Paul would like to do, but at least at present, he is responsible for a number of rearguard victories for the Democrats and very little in the way of legislative achievement. In terms of his effect, he's been a real friend to Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:37 am to Salmon
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Maybe Rand is learning from Trump and just doing the "start with unrealistic demands and negotiate your way down" deal?
Key thing here is that Rand doesn't have the same leverage that Trump has as POTUS with the signing pen and veto stamp and he's just one guy out of many and the GOP demonstrated that in passing the budget without his help.
You don't have leverage if the people you're dealing with can get around you.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:37 am to Sentrius
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I've had enough with his grandstanding.
Man, this Trump administration has gotten to everyone.
Would you prefer Paul give up his principles to "beat the Democrats?"
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:40 am to Sentrius
quote:Haven't you heard? It's Rand Paul's fault for $1,400 a month health insurance. Try to keep up.
Key thing here is that Rand doesn't have the same leverage that Trump has as POTUS with the signing pen and veto stamp and he's just one guy out of many and the GOP demonstrated that in passing the budget without his help.
You don't have leverage if the people you're dealing with can get around you.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Trump. Turning former conservatives into progressives in droves.
You really don't have any room to bash Trump supporters for being cult like when you're acting like people like Rand and Justin Amash can do no wrong and is completely in the right all the time.
That shite is what drove me away from libertarians.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:42 am to Sentrius
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You really don't have any room to bash Trump supporters for being cult like when you're acting like people like Rand and Justin Amash can do no wrong and is completely in the right all the time.
Nope, I've never said that. However, I trust their judgment WAY more than I do Trumps.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 9:43 am
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:42 am to Salmon
I'm blaming Paul and others for keeping the status quo.
You are defending Paul for keeping the status quo.
I'm mad at all the Republicans for doing nothing. Nothing is the worst possible outcome and Paul and McCain and Snow could have made something happen and they didn't.
You are defending Paul for keeping the status quo.
I'm mad at all the Republicans for doing nothing. Nothing is the worst possible outcome and Paul and McCain and Snow could have made something happen and they didn't.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:43 am to doubleb
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So are you telling us its good that Rand operates like a leftist?
And I believe the left compromised (with each other) and passed the ACA to begin with. They compromised and got what they wanted.
My guys draw lines in the sand and say if we don't do it exactly like I want then I'm voting NO; thus we get nothing.
i'm saying Rand said no pork, no compromise and votes accordingly.
i appreciate that more than other people that run on repeal and replace, lower taxes, etc. and fold like a cheap suit everytime somebody says "that's racist," "think of the children," or "if it saves one life."
you can argue if it's effective and i think that's a valid discussion, but i'm not going to fault a guy for running on being ideologically pure and sticking to it.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Would you prefer Paul give up his principles to "beat the Democrats?"
It's one thing to stick to principles, it's quite another to let good be the enemy of perfect and that is what he's doing and I've had enough of that.
The democrats have made an art form of chipping away at policy issues and now they're closer then ever to having something so radical as single payer as a mainstream idea and we have goobers like Rand stopping bills that would get us off the path to single payer.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:45 am to Sentrius
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it's quite another to let good be the enemy of perfect and that is what he's doing and I've had enough of that.
So, we should just settle eh?
If we "settled" we would have the crappy Republican health care legislation now. Since we didn't "settle" it's possible we may end up getting something much better, which is the ability to buy insurance across State lines.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:45 am to OMLandshark
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and isn't totally full of shite.
He’s absolutely full of shite.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:47 am to TX Tiger
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So you don't want Obamacare abolished. You just want it ever-so-slightly tweaked.
Don't put words in my mouth.
I want it abolished.
And if I'm part of the problem, so be it because Paul and his people aren't providing solutions, change, or anything other than voting NO.
But keep patting yourself on the back and brag about your guy having principles; while we continue business as usual.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:48 am to Homesick Tiger
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put his personal politics aside for the good of the party he represents
He doesn't represent the Republican Party. He represents the State of Kentucky.
Why do you want him to NOT do his job?
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:48 am to doubleb
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Paul and his people aren't providing solutions,
Paul has proposed his own HC legislation.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
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However, I trust their judgment WAY more than I do Trumps.
Yet, he's the best ally they will ever have in the White House as the GOPe and liberal democrats fricking despise him and he's the closest thing we will ever have to an independent President and he just very recently enacted some of Rand's ideas for healthcare.
They should meet him halfway.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
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If we "settled" we would have the crappy Republican health care legislation now. Since we didn't "settle"
Rand actually settled for the skinny repeal which only repealed a couple mandates.
And then he railed against Graham-Cassidy which had far more teeth to it which in addition to repealing mandates, it actually cut medicaid funding by a lot and promoted federalism in giving states the flexibility to shape how they want Healthcare run in their states.
Rand was for repeal and replace at one point this year, then complete repeal only and adding this or that provision in the bill. He's been all over the place and it's really nothing more than grandstanding to me now.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 9:50 am
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:50 am to doubleb
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Paul and his people aren't providing solutions,
Utter tripe.
Paul is the only one with an ACTUAL repeal and replacement plan, and has been ignored.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:51 am to doubleb
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You are defending Paul for keeping the status quo.
I'm defending Rand for being principled and not just putting a bandaid on something and say "See? It's fixed now!", which is what the healthcare bills were
Rand wanted full repeal and replace, which is what the Republicans promised, and when it came to them just voting for repeal, Rand kept his promise, and somehow y'all are blaming Rand and not the true people at fault, the majority Republicans
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:52 am to Salmon
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Yeesh. Not a good look Rand.
A supoosed libertarian-ish guy endorsing the theocratic loon threw me off too
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