re: Jay Carney denies memo was even about Benghazi

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Did Rice simply confuse the talking points?

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That's a good question. Dunno if she perfectly executed what she was prepped to do. Maybe we can get a lit major out here for analysis.

Regardless, the judgment of the intelligence community was that the attack in Benghazi was influenced by the storming of the Embassy in Cairo. The CIA does not mention the video specifically as the motivation but we now know the CIA was looking at intelligence that implicates the video as being a factor, ie statements of Ansar al Sharia et al. The protests in Cairo now seem to me like a combination of protests against the video and others who had al Qaeda grievances. There is evidence of both. There were likely even other aggrieved parties at this protest but the catalyzing factor here is that the embassy got stormed. And I think that is what set things off elsewhere, and the video continued to fuel the fire.

The intel community still stands behind the idea of events in Cairo being a major motivation for the attackers last I heard.

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The intel community still stands behind the idea of events in Cairo being a major motivation for the attackers last I heard.

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Link to STILL?

More recently from the Senate Intel Committee report

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In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, the IC received numerous reports, both classified and unclassified, which provided contradictory accounts that there were demonstrations at the Temporary Mission Facility. In some cases, these intelligence reports-which were disseminated widely in the Intelligence Community--contained references to press reports on protests that were simply copied into intelligence products. Other reporting indicated there were no protests. For example, the IC obtained closed circuit television video from the Mission facility [][][][], and there were credible eyewitness statements of U.S. personnel on the ground that night, which the FBI began to collect from interviewing survivors starting on September 15, 2012, in Ramstein Air Base, Germany.

The IC also had information that there were no protests outside the Temporary Mission Facility prior to the attacks, but did not incorporate that information into its widely circulated assessments in a timely manner. Contrary to many press reports at the time, eyewitness statements by U.S. personnel indicate that there were no protests at the start of the attacks. For example, on September 15, 2012,. the CIA's Chief of Station in Tripoli sent to the then-Deputy Director of the CIA and others at the CIA an email that reported the attacks were "not/not an
escalation of protests."116 Yet, the CIA's January 4, 2013, Analytic Line Review downplays the importance of this email, noting, " ... as a standard practice, we do not base analysis on e-mails and other informal communications from the field because such accounts often change when formalized as disseminated intelligence reports." 117

Moreover, it appears this reporting from those present during the attacks did not make its way into assessments at CIA Headquarters, as the Deputy Director of the Middle East and North Africa Analysis Office at CIA wrote an internal email, dated September 16, 2012, that rnentioned "protestors that preceded the violence."118 On September 18, 2012, the FBI and CIA reviewed the closed circuit television video from the Mission facility that showed there were no protests prior to the attacks. Although information gathered from interviews with U.S. personnel who were on the ground during the attacks was shared informally between the FBI and CIA, it was not until two days later, on September 20, 2012, that the FBI disseminated its intelligence reports detailing such interviews.119

A dearth of clear and definitive HUMINT or eyewitness reporting led IC analysts to rely on open press reports and limited SIGINT reporting that incorrectly attributed the origins of the Benghazi attacks to "protests," over first-hand accounts from U.S. officials on the ground. CIA's January 4, 2013, Analytic Line Review found that "[a ]pproximately a dozen reports that included press accounts, public statements by AAS members, HUMINT reporting, DOD reporting, and signals intelligence all stated or strongly suggested that a protest occurred outside of the Mission facility just prior to the attacks."120

Of the 11 reports cited by the CIA's Analytic Line Review, six were press articles, two were the public statements of Ansar al-Sharia, and the three others were intelligence reports. Specific open source reports and intelligence on which analysts appear to have based their judgments include the public statements by Ansar al-Sharia that the attacks were a "spontaneous and popular uprising."121 Also, there was protest activity in Egypt and approximately 40 other cities around the world and violent attacks against U.S. diplomatic facilities in Tunisia, Yemen, and Egypt from September 11-20, 2012. In addition, there were intelligence reports in the days following the Benghazi attacks that al-Qa'ida-associated terrorists hoped to take advantage of global protests for further attacks.122

As a result of evidence from closed circuit videos and other reports, the IC changed its assessment about a protest in classified intelligence reports on September 24, 2012, to state there were no demonstrations or protests at the Temporary Mission Facility prior to the attacks. This slow change in the official assessment affected the public statements of government officials, who continued to state in press interviews that there were protests outside the Mission compound. The IC continues to assess that although they do not think the first attack came out of protests, the lethality and efficacy of the attack "did not require significant amounts of preplanning." 123 The IC continues to review the amount and nature of any preplanning that went into the attack.

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"joint committee" ?



Meets in Denver next month.

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I have no idea what you are referring to here. A little more information, please?

But Its 2014, and all that has been proven false. They don't still believe any of that protest crap. Heck, no on in Benghazi had even heard of the video, at the time of the attack. Here's a question. At the time of Morrell's Cia "Washington Analyst" report, did Rice ever get that memo, before she went out?

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But Its 2014, and all that has been proven false. They don't still believe any of that protest crap.

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They can be "influenced by the events in Cairo" without there being a "protest/demonstration" in front of the Benghazi facility prior to the attack.

They have SIGINT intercepts of these guys talking about the protests prior to the attack. You can thank your pals at the NSA for that.

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Heck, no on in Benghazi had even heard of the video, at the time of the attack.

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This is false. I can show you video evidence that people had heard of the insulting video at the time of the attack.

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Here's a question. At the time of Morrell's Cia "Washington Analyst" report, did Rice ever get that memo, before she went out?

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What report are you referring to again?

So say you're the CIA analyst tasked with making sense of what happened. You watch something like this video.

What are you going to think?

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So say you're the CIA analyst tasked with making sense of what happened. You watch something like this video.

What are you going to think?

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Your guy is a dishonest, disingenuous a-hole. He is not the first and the other team has had their share of dishonest disingenuous assholes. This one is yours, however...and the CURRENT one.

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What are you going to think?

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I think you are a fricking idiot who wants to have him make a call on a single video and yet crow that they had sigint on specific communications.

I love watching libs try to spin this story.

It's like arguing with 5 year olds.