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re: It's not a "False Equivalence"; it's a "False Choice/Dilemma"
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
why are you avoiding giving a simple answer?
DU didn't prepare him for being challenged.
What do I win?
ETA: You are fully aware that he's bat shite left and isn't going to even attempt to understand your point of view because he FEELS he has the higher moral ground.
He's in a bubble. He's not capable of debating. Let's call it the CNN effect.
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 10:42 am
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:39 am to BamaAtl
quote:
Then let's stop equating her protest with the Nazis she was protesting, as the President did specifically for that day in Charlottesville.
Full stop.
She is one person. Her morals or motivations do not transfer to thousands of other people.
She could be pure as driven snow, but that does not mean everyone else is.
Trump said there were some good people there. Maybe she was one of them. It has no affect on the overall debate.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Again, am in agreement and maybe it's because the weather is crappy where I am but:
exposing their extremism in a truthful way is probably the best way to erode support
I am not seeing evidence of a whole lot of reason break through the relentless propaganda of the MSM, feckless establishment politicians, or corporate/academic/financial elitists.
I mean, the fact that CNN had Wolf Blitzer blather words implying that the Barcelona attack was inspired by the Charlottesville debacle literally takes my breath away.
Started life on this earth 57 years ago in Lake Charles and in all that time can't recall any public lie more audacious than that...
I will endeavor to persevere by your example though.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:39 am to SabiDojo
quote:
I disagree. There are degrees, but I think you could make a strong argument that Antifa is eviler.
I guess that depends on how you define evil and that is certainly subjective. I can live with that.
I think they are both evil. Evil is no more and no less. But to rank them seems silly to me.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:41 am to roadGator
Fair enough.
Do you see that? Disagreement without resorting to violence. It's like watching a unicorn shite skittles while playing the harp.
Do you see that? Disagreement without resorting to violence. It's like watching a unicorn shite skittles while playing the harp.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:42 am to SabiDojo
It's not even so much that we disagree. We just have slightly different opinions.
See that, double rainbows to go along with the unicorn shitting skittles.
What the hell is happening?
See that, double rainbows to go along with the unicorn shitting skittles.
What the hell is happening?
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 10:43 am
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:42 am to roadGator
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which two opposing arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not.
Like when posters here and conservatives nationally keep equating us taking down FDR statue, due to Japanese camps, to those of a splinter country with countless killing of US soldiers and an affinity for slavery?
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:49 am to Ebbandflow
Whataboutism appropriation
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:49 am to Knight of Old
quote:
I am not seeing evidence of a whole lot of reason break through the relentless propaganda of the MSM, feckless establishment politicians, or corporate/academic/financial elitists.
well RIGHT NOW we're in a wave of emotion, so don't expect too much to get throgh
it's a wave. it will crash and recede
then we're onto the next crisis that will end the world
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:50 am to Ebbandflow
quote:
Like when posters here and conservatives nationally keep equating us taking down FDR statue, due to Japanese camps, to those of a splinter country with countless killing of US soldiers and an affinity for slavery?
literally has nothing to do with my OP
but
that's a MUCH better FE example than denying the terribleness of the auth-Left
still based on a lie, but a much closer example of FE
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 10:51 am
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:51 am to roadGator
quote:
When two entities are evil there's no need to rank them.
You have the right to have evil opinions. You can even share them or speak about them freely if you want. What people consider moral changes all the time.
However....it doesn't matter what your stances you are....if you use violence to attack another person's right to speak or express themselves freely, you are going against the core values of our nation. David Duke and Gary Chamber alike have the right to express their opinion or protest so long as they don't vandalize property, assault people, or use violence.
You feeling more righteous or "correct" doesn't mean you can club someone, throw acid on them, or use violence to attack them without facing charge. It doesn't matter how horrible of a person you perceive them to be. The use of violence is illegal regardless of what your political stance happens to be.
Trump admonished the violence on all sides in Virginia. This was a 100% justified stance, and I'd have taken the exact same stance if I were him. The Progressive left (primarily the media) is criticizing Trump for not denouncing only the side they feel is morally wrong. This new manufactured controversy over confederate statues only exists because the progressives in the Democratic party and in their media know that there will be at least a handful of skin heads that they can point a camera at while ignoring violence in counter protests. They knew Trump would denounce the violence regardless of the politics of the people involved because any rational person would. They are using that as some kind of pretend evidence that Trump is some kind of KKK sympathizer.
The coordinated effort to eliminate monuments is their latest wedge issue. This is controversy that they created, and they are perfectly happy if communities get vandalized or people get hurt so long as they can build a wedge issue around it. Last year, they used Baton Rouge for the same thing.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:54 am to dewster
A woman made a really good point on Twitter. She said the Left doesn't realize that their justification of violence by calling their cause righteous is what every evil regime has done in history, killing hundreds of millions of people.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:57 am to SabiDojo
it's the same thing every time they justify communism or shite just government expansion in general
"they didn't do it right last time. we're the good guys, THIS time"
"they didn't do it right last time. we're the good guys, THIS time"
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
simple question
Why are you trying to shift the conversation away from Trump equating the woman who died with her murderer, on a moral ground?
Does it make you uncomfortable, or are you hoping it fades away?
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:59 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
Trump said there were some good people there.
Which Nazi chant were the good people using?
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:59 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
just pointed out the logical fallacy
i included the disclaimer
this is the response
quote:
Either you are against people that want to do ethnic cleaning on every other race or you aren't. Seems pretty simple to me. Oh well. Have a great day.
Well herein lies the main problem with many Progressives. Try to use logic and make them actually think critically, and they simply go, "well you're racist if you don't agree with me, peace out."
It's impossible to have a rational discussion with that level of bias and ignorance.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:01 am to BamaAtl
quote:
Why are you trying to shift the conversation away from Trump
i'm not. this is a thread about bad and dishonest rhetoric, not Donald Trump
quote:
Does it make you uncomfortable, or are you hoping it fades away?
why would defending the 1st Amendment and fighting authoritarians (on both sides) ever make me feel uncomfortable?
Nazis can go frick themselves
all forms of the auth-Left can go frick themselves
the question is why you refuse to call out violent authoritarians and legitimately lie. you won't even admit they use violence against NON-Nazis (even after i literally posted a video in this thread of that occurring). why are you being so dishonest? are you doing it on purpose to be intentionally deceitful or are you just a sheep in a bubble and you don't have instructions for how to respond?
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:02 am to rintintin
quote:
Try to use logic and make them actually think critically, and they simply go, "well you're racist if you don't agree with me, peace out."
literally happened yesterday
he called me a Nazi. i proved i wasn't
so he immediately called me a racist
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:03 am to BamaAtl
quote:
BamaAtl
do you admit or deny that authoritarian-left groups have attacked non-violent, non-Nazis between Jan 1, 2017 and August 10, 2017?
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