re: Is anyone else laughing about this "red line" media creation?

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why does there have to be just one villain? This isn't a movie. Why does there have to be a villain at all?

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Good point. A maniacal dictator who starves his own people and threatens nuclear war is no worse than a president who vows to protect his country from foreign threats.

Are you saying Kim isn't a villain? Have you dropped all pretenses of being objective?

The left should tread very carefully on this.

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however in this specific situation, there clearly is a villain

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Kim is paranoid, isolated, and scared to death. While the NK system as a whole is beyond fricked up (obviously), that's really not part of this situation, unless you want to post-facto go back and say because Saddam was a bad person as well that makes military action in Iraq justified? Somehow I doubt that's a position you want to take.

yeah i mean i'll give an example where there is no real "villain': Iran when we negotiated that nuclear deal

now has the Iranian government done fricked up stuff throughout its current regime? sure. we have, too. would i call its leadership "villains"? no, just like how we're not villains, either.

people had issues with the Iran deal because we couldn't trust Iran more than their past behavior and "villain" status

NK/Kim family? clearly villain status

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Best thing JFK ever did for the US was take a bullet to the head.

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this seems a little extreme

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Best thing JFK ever did for the US was take a bullet to the head.

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this seems a little extreme

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I feel the same about RFK

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While the NK system as a whole is beyond fricked up (obviously), that's really not part of this situation, unless you want to post-facto go back and say because Saddam was a bad person as well that makes military action in Iraq justified?

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the justification for war with Iraq was based in allegedly violating UN regulations, not national security. it was a bad policy

the justification for war with NK is legitimate national security. it's not comparable to Iraq

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Kim is paranoid, isolated, and scared to death.

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are you saying this to create sympathy with Un? you've said it at least 3 times now

nothing has prevented Un from reshaping the ruling regime of NK. instead, he's gone in the other direction and become more radical, all the while, domestically, being a terrible despot and truly evil ruler.

again, how can you defend the Kim family?

The talking points coming from the left on this legit have my blood boiling. It's as if they think the Iraq playbook against Bush is applicable to every military situation.

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fficially, but at the time you couldn't turn around with a Bush apologist playing the "Saddam is evil" card as well.

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well yeah Obama did the same shite with gaddafi to justify Iraq Vol 2: Libya. however, people who opposed military action weren't defending gaddafi (except the CTs like TX Tiger who thought that war was over getting off the petro dollar)

same with Asasd and Syria. pretty much everyone agrees he's a villain. it's just he's very possibly the best option among a population of replacements that are all also villains.

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then why do you keep talking about how evil Kim is?

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because that part of the discussion is how insane the media is being comparing Trump's "red line" to basically anything Kim has ever done. like i said, there are people who are promoting the idea that Trump is on the same level of blame (i used "villain status") as Kim Jong Un. that is legit insanity, especially given just how terrible of a leader and person Kim Jong Un is (and has been)

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No, I'm trying to rationally look at the situation because my goal is to avoid a nuclear war.

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i advise you not creating a narrative that the one person who could have stopped this path, is somehow a sympathetic figure

this is not some Greek Tragedy where fate has created this path that the protagonist could not avoid

he held all the cards and chose this path

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well yeah Obama did the same shite with gaddafi to justify Iraq Vol 2: Libya. however, people who opposed military action weren't defending gaddafi (except the CTs like TX Tiger who thought that war was over getting off the petro dollar)

same with Asasd and Syria. pretty much everyone agrees he's a villain. it's just he's very possibly the best option among a population of replacements that are all also villains.

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right, there are lots and lots of bad people in the world unfortunately, lets move beyond that here

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i advise you not creating a narrative that the one person who could have stopped this path, is somehow a sympathetic figure

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and i advise you to look at the situation itself, not what the boogeyman MSM is saying about the situation but just the situation, and think about what we should do as the far stronger party here and how we can best diffuse the situation as opposed to backing them further into a corner.

i mention the paranoia and isolation not to make NK sympathetic, but to underline the danger in the situation