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re: Iraq in downward spiral; Who will Obama blame?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:44 am to mmcgrath
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:44 am to mmcgrath
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What exactly was the "correct" way to do this? An in and out campaign where we hang Saddaam and leave would have left a huge, messy disaster in the Middle East that would have been pointed to by every other country in the world as an example of America being an out of control nation.
I've explained it on this board many times. Short answer, we screwed the pooch when we disbanded the Iraqi army and got rid of all the Ba'athist. We immediately put out of work every single person who could have rebuilt that country. So there was a whole army of soldiers with no paycheck and mouths to feed who started taking money from terrorists to attack Americans. And a whole class of middle managers who knew how to run a country also out of work who helped support and finance the insurgency because the we're frustrated and disenfranchised. It was the perfect storm that we created. We should have left troops and advisors to help them rebuild their country instead of trying to do it ourselves from the ground up.
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:45 am to Lsut81
quote:Help me to understand something, please. Why are people drawn to dividing things between left and right?
Iraq in downward spiral; Who will Obama blame?
So with what is going on in Iraq now, will Obama and his ilk blame Bush???
They were quick to claim that Obama brought our troops home and ended the war in Iraq, even though it was already negotiated under Bush.
So does Obama blame Bush for setting the deadline to pull troops out, even though he took credit for it?
Are they too shallow to see the bigger picture?
Do they just crave the drama?
What is it?
tia
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:45 am to Lsut81
quote:So you recognize that the entire Iraq situation was a HUGE mistake and you blame Bush for it, but you want Obama to take responsibility for the mess after we leave? Are you really calling other posters stupid?
So with what is going on in Iraq now, will Obama and his ilk blame Bush???
They were quick to claim that Obama brought our troops home and ended the war in Iraq, even though it was already negotiated under Bush.
So does Obama blame Bush for setting the deadline to pull troops out, even though he took credit for it?
For the record, and before the Obama zombies start throwing out claims, I think Iraq was a HUGE mistake and I blame Bush/Cheney for it.
And enough with the Bush negotiated timeline BS. He pulled a date out of his butt after Obama won the election which was only done to try to take credit in the minds of robots like you.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:47 am to mmcgrath
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Are you really calling other posters stupid?
Yup, just like you... Who completely misses the fricking point of the question.
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minds of robots like you.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I'm one of the few on this board who will attack both sides of the aisle, but keep up the false narrative.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:51 am to GeauxxxTigers23
We were better off with the handful of Dictators that ruled the Middle eastern countries. They controlled the population and kept the radical muslims in check. Ok so they had some humans rights abuses, no more so than what is happening now. Hell we put most of the dictators in power to begin with and they did our bidding. Yeah they may have had to put on a show about how bad America was, but that was to gain favor with their people. They had to blame someone else for their failures. Having Dictators cost us less in money and blood and had controlled the middle east with much less destructive effects.
Lets look at the current state in the middle east after the Dictators have been ousted. Your have radical muslims taking over, killing the minority Christians and any muslims who dissagree with them . We destroyed the militaries of those countries so now its a free for all between different factions. in the end they will be ruled again by some strong arm leader. They just have to sort it out. At least before, we had some control over the Dictators but with Muslim extremist in charge, we will have no say so whatsoever.
Lets look at the current state in the middle east after the Dictators have been ousted. Your have radical muslims taking over, killing the minority Christians and any muslims who dissagree with them . We destroyed the militaries of those countries so now its a free for all between different factions. in the end they will be ruled again by some strong arm leader. They just have to sort it out. At least before, we had some control over the Dictators but with Muslim extremist in charge, we will have no say so whatsoever.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:53 am to ShortyRob
quote:But propaganda works, it seems, far more often than not. At least where the American people are concerned.
I think attempts at nation building are pretty much a mistake every time they're tried.
Nation building? After all these years I can't believe people still fall for that.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:57 am to TX Tiger
The Bush idea of Iraq being the model of democracy to the region was a horseshite idea from the start. It's tribal. Couple trillion spent (off budget of course) and many lives lost and now it's come to this. One of the worst foreign policy decisions in our nations history. Obama is right to not take Iraq's call for air strikes.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:01 am to LSURussian
quote:Wouldn't it have been easier on us if that was the thought to begin with?
Am I an evil person because I'm not bothered all that much by foreign Muslims killing other foreign Muslims instead of trying to kill Americans?
Ahh, but where's the profit in that?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:03 am to Buckeye Backer
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I love how the Bush supporters blame Congress. Congress voted off of what president Bush and his "ilk" led them to believe
I love reading this. The same liberals that insult Bush for being an idiot would have you believe that he and Cheney sat in a room and concocted this massive amount of intelligence to fabricate a lie so legitimately that 77 of 100 members of the Senate, Including Clinton AND Kerry, believed it and voted for it.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:07 am to biscuitsngravy
quote:Not really. It accomplished its goal. It convinced the sheople to take up arms, murder and be murdered halfway across the globe.
The Bush idea of Iraq being the model of democracy to the region was a horseshite idea from the start.
Had Bush just said he needs a few good men to go over there and murder men, women and children so that a Central Bank could be put in place and ensure that oil was dealt in US dollars, how many people would have volunteered for that?
I would hope not many.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:10 am to elprez00
quote:Yeah, that's ridiculous. He and Cheney are just puppets following orders. It's their job to SELL the agenda. To think they're smart enough to concoct it really is ridiculous.
would have you believe that he and Cheney sat in a room and concocted this massive amount of intelligence to fabricate a lie so legitimately that 77 of 100 members of the Senate, Including Clinton AND Kerry, believed it and voted for it.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:17 am to Matrixman
quote:No we didn't. We went over there to put a Central Bank in place and to stop Saddam from his role in a proposed oil bourse.
We got involved in the region because we thought we could introduce western style democracy.
It's about money....It's ALWAYS about money.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:20 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Golly, it was almost as if nation-building wasn't our intended goal at all.
I've explained it on this board many times. Short answer, we screwed the pooch when we disbanded the Iraqi army and got rid of all the Ba'athist. We immediately put out of work every single person who could have rebuilt that country. So there was a whole army of soldiers with no paycheck and mouths to feed who started taking money from terrorists to attack Americans. And a whole class of middle managers who knew how to run a country also out of work who helped support and finance the insurgency because the we're frustrated and disenfranchised. It was the perfect storm that we created.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:21 am to TX Tiger
Aren't the ISIS the same people that McCain, Graham, Obama, Kerry, and co. were wanting us to send weapons to to overthrow Assad?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:24 am to TX Tiger
You might convince me. I find it hard to believe any military strategist would have recommended disbanding the army and government.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:25 am to TX Tiger
quote:Are you under the impression Iraq didn't have a central bank under Saddam?
We went over there to put a Central Bank in place
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:26 am to blowmeauburn
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Aren't the ISIS the same people that McCain, Graham, Obama, Kerry, and co. were wanting us to send weapons to to overthrow Assad?
ISIS is already well armed and funded. Plus, Agent Sterling really is unstoppable in the danger zone once on a rampage....Kenny Loggins.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:26 am to Lsut81
He should blame the retard that started the war.
And then he shouldn't give a frick if the country implodes.
And then he shouldn't give a frick if the country implodes.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:26 am to TIGA 80
quote:Do you honestly believe this...right after making this statement?....
At least before, we had some control over the Dictators but with Muslim extremist in charge, we will have no say so whatsoever.
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Hell we put most of the dictators in power to begin with
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:29 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I've explained it on this board many times. Short answer, we screwed the pooch when we disbanded the Iraqi army and got rid of all the Ba'athist. We immediately put out of work every single person who could have rebuilt that country. So there was a whole army of soldiers with no paycheck and mouths to feed who started taking money from terrorists to attack Americans. And a whole class of middle managers who knew how to run a country also out of work who helped support and finance the insurgency because the we're frustrated and disenfranchised. It was the perfect storm that we created. We should have left troops and advisors to help them rebuild their country instead of trying to do it ourselves from the ground up.
There are about four or five different major inflection points over the last eleven years that could have prevented something like this from happening, but don't expect the morons to understand this.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 9:31 am
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