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re: Iraq in downward spiral; Who will Obama blame?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:09 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:09 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Obama isn't doing a good job at being president 
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:10 am to Lsut81
Am I an evil person because I'm not bothered all that much by foreign Muslims killing other foreign Muslims instead of trying to kill Americans?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:13 am to 4LSU2
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It's hard to blame Bush and Cheney when 77% of the Senate voted for authorization of war against Iraq in 2002.
Whether you like it or not, the Iraq war is Bush and his administration's baby. The used the emotions of 9/11 to push us into Iraq.
I don't care if they had good intentions, ultimately the intelligence they used to sell the invasion was faulty. The buck stops with someone.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:13 am to Lsut81
We should never have been there..........period......no matter who set any deadline...who claimed to "pull the troops out" or end the war. None of that shite matters. Staying another 30 years wouldn't have made a shite of difference. This is Bush's baby and it was a mistake from the jump. Whats going on right now is a direct result of that decision. This directly addresses the OP.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 8:15 am
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:14 am to AUbused
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We should never have been there..........period......no matter who set any deadline...who claimed to "pull the troops out" or end the war. None of that shite matters. Staying another 30 years wouldn't have made a shite of difference. This is Bush's baby and it was a mistake from the jump.
For fricks sake, you still don't get it
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:15 am to AUbused
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This is Bush's baby and it was a mistake from the jump.
Nah. Saddam needed to go.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:16 am to Lsut81
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So does Obama blame Bush for setting the deadline to pull troops out, even though he took credit for it?
This is the crux of the OP. My answer is the question is ridiculous because what is going on right now in Iraq was inevitable short of us staying there forever. There is no reason to blame anyone for a deadline because the deadline wouldn't exist if we weren't there.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:17 am to Lsut81
Can we just blame it on Iraq?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:18 am to Layabout
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We could stay in Iraq for twenty years and within two years of leaving it would degenerate into the chaos that we're seeing now. Best to cut our losses now and let them sink or swim.
Did LBJ see this when he changed our immigration policies/quotas?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:18 am to AUbused
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My answer is the question is ridiculous because what is going on right now in Iraq was inevitable short of us staying there forever. There is no reason to blame anyone for a deadline because the deadline wouldn't exist if we weren't there.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:19 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Nah. Saddam needed to go.
There were a whole lot of bad men that "needed to go" at the time. Further, this wasn't the reason the public was given for war. That was WMD's which the administration was STILL trying to push even years after it was proven false. I want to say Cheney still links Saddam to Al Qaeda and WMD's to this day.
Aside from that, Saddam being a huge a-hole wasn't worth the blood and treasure spent on an inevitable failure of this nation building experiment.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:21 am to AUbused
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Aside from that, Saddam being a huge a-hole wasn't worth the blood and treasure spent on an inevitable failure of this nation building experiment.
We could have been out of there in a year or two if we had done it correctly. If that had happened no one would be talking about Iraq still and Obama wouldn't be president.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:26 am to Lsut81
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For the record, and before the Obama zombies start throwing out claims, I think Iraq was a HUGE mistake and I blame Bush/Cheney for it.
I don't know who NOBAMA will blame but ulitimately the America people need to blame obama for this debacle. I agree with those folks who say Iraq was a mistake. Our Founding Fathers [for those of you who care] warned against the dangers of "foreign entanglements". However, once we made the commitment to freedom in Iraq, we had an obligation to help these folks achieve democracy.
After thousands of American soldiers were sacrificed in this Iraqi War, Obama signed on to the so-called "Arab Spring", then pulled the rug out from under freedom loving Iraqis. We got involved in the region because we thought we could introduce western style democracy. A noble goal. A democracy that gave the right to everyone [including women] to participate fully in the democratic process. A right to an education, freedom from the fear of an oppressive religion which treats women as nothing more than animals. We were even somewhat sucessful in purging Al Qaeda from Iraq, effectively creating an oppertunity for democracy to take hold. Now all that all hope of freedom is being extinguished [probably forever] by Barack Hussein Obama. Already we hear reports that terrorist are beheading innocent Iraqis. Darkness is descending on Iraq.
Shame on you Barack Hussein Obama....and shame on all of you who support this imposter.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 9:00 am
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:27 am to Lsut81
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Iraq in downward spiral; Who will Obama blame?
Bush obviously.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:30 am to Matrixman
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Obama signed on to the so-called "Arab Spring", then pulled the rug out from under freedom loving Iraqis
Now if you want to be truthful, Obama attempted to negotiate a longer stay of US Troops, but was rejected by the Iraqis.
After that rejection he followed the Bush negotiated time frame and pulled out claiming that HE ended the war.
That is the point of the question... The man talks out of both sides of his mouth. I am just curious if he is going to fall back to blaming Bush and his timeline even though he claimed it was his doing.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:31 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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We could have been out of there in a year or two if we had done it correctly.
Yep, as long as we fight wars with the intent of looking good as opposed to out-n-out winning the damn thing, we will always have mud on our face. IMO, we haven't fought a war to win since WWII.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:37 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:What exactly was the "correct" way to do this? An in and out campaign where we hang Saddaam and leave would have left a huge, messy disaster in the Middle East that would have been pointed to by every other country in the world as an example of America being an out of control nation.
We could have been out of there in a year or two if we had done it correctly. If that had happened no one would be talking about Iraq still and Obama wouldn't be president.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:39 am to 4LSU2
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It's hard to blame Bush and Cheney
No it isn't
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:42 am to Lsut81
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Now if you want to be truthful, Obama attempted to negotiate a longer stay of US Troops, but was rejected by the Iraqis.
Maybe the Iraqis simply didn't trust obama, and decided to go it alone, rather than risk being betrayed by a President who had clearly thrown his support behind the Muslim Brotherhood and the "Arab Spring". I mean look at the region right now. What has the "Arab Spring" brought to the citizens of that region?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:44 am to Matrixman
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Maybe the Iraqis simply didn't trust obama, and decided to go it alone, rather than risk being betrayed by a President who had clearly thrown his support behind the Muslim Brotherhood and the "Arab Spring
I'm not arguing whether the Iraqis trusted him or not... I'm just pointing out the fact that Obama did attempt to keep us in Iraq for longer than Bush had originally negotiated and he was rejected.
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