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re: How many abortions are result of mother's health?
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:37 pm to Midget Death Squad
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:37 pm to Midget Death Squad
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It's "big government" to protect peoples' lives?
Which people are you referring to?
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:39 pm to skrayper
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It's big government to apply the power of the state to remove the mother's right to body autonomy.
Nope. She can do whatever she wants to her body. Now to the body of another living being? That's where the line is drawn.
Womens: Hey this baby is preventing me from partying
Govt: Go ahead and kill it
aka
Womens: Hey that a-hole keeps staring at me across the bar and preventing me enjoying my partying
Govt: Go ahead and kill him
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:41 pm to Midget Death Squad
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Now to the body of another living being? That's where the line is drawn.
By your logic, then when a mothers body natually terminates a fetus, should she be held on charges? I mean she harmed another human being.
Theres lots of slippery slopes here.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:42 pm to Midget Death Squad
quote:The biggest deception is them calling it a woman's right to choose, or a deeply intimate personal decision, or women's reproductive rights. They won't even refer to it as abortion anymore. They used to argue for abortion by trying to pinpoint when the group of cells became a child...now they are so lazy that they won't even go into the issue of whether or not it's killing an infant; they are calling it a "woman's personal decision for herself" and cutting the argument off at the mother (almost as if they are arguing whether or not to cut out a woman's organ). Talk about deceptive.
It's the deception that infuriates me more than anything else.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:44 pm to Midget Death Squad
Billy Jean King is an example of where 'give it up for adoption' doesn't work. When she was married she got pregnant. The condition of pregnancy was a major disruption to her professional tennis tournament schedule as she was a rising star. So she got an abortion, later divorced Mr. King and became a lesbian.
Her maiden name was Moffitt and her brother was a pitcher for the SF Giants.
Randy Moffitt
Her maiden name was Moffitt and her brother was a pitcher for the SF Giants.
Randy Moffitt
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:45 pm to NYNolaguy1
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By your logic, then when a mothers body natually terminates a fetus, should she be held on charges? I mean she harmed another human being.
Did you think about this before you typed it? If not, then I absolve you of your folly. If you did, then I am sorry that your train of thought is a complete mess.
In other words, this is about the stupidest point I have ever seen made on any topic
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:46 pm to When in Rome
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Article with citations
eta: It says 1% but the figure says 3% for health of the mother, so idk
Just for reference, and that alone take in consideration this is a pro-life website when looking at the stats. I would assume just as they would be skewed on a pro-choice website these stats are open to inaccuracies.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:46 pm to When in Rome
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The biggest deception is them calling it a woman's right to choose, or a deeply intimate personal decision, or women's reproductive rights. They won't even refer to it as abortion anymore. They used to argue for abortion by trying to pinpoint when the group of cells became a child...now they are so lazy that they won't even go into the issue of whether or not it's killing an infant; they are calling it a "woman's personal decision for herself" and cutting the argument off at the mother (almost as if they are arguing whether or not to cut out a woman's organ). Talk about deceptive.
This is one hell of a great post. Bravo
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:48 pm to Midget Death Squad
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Did you think about this before you typed it? If not, then I absolve you of your folly. If you did, then I am sorry that your train of thought is a complete mess.
In other words, this is about the stupidest point I have ever seen made on any topic
So you propose legislation giving full person rights to the unborn and I point out that makes the mother responsible for everything that happens to the unborn.
You then say it's the dumbest thing youve ever heard.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:48 pm to Midget Death Squad
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Womens: Hey this baby is preventing me from partying
Govt: Go ahead and kill it
Absurdist examples don't make your case for you.
No one obligates you to donate a kidney to save a life. Even if that life is your own child.
By this logic, the government should require parents to donate any and all organs, without their consent, for the possibility of saving their child.
That's not your organ, it's the state's.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:51 pm to zeebo
quote:Nah, it's her choice and no one else's; that's solid. What's slippery is when the government attempts to have more and more influence on her choice.
Well sometimes I think they count emotional well being, which seems very slippery.
This is why I'm against Obamacare fyi. A woman doesn't need the government to help her choose what to do with her junk; a lot of them seem to think they need the government's financial assistance, though. I say "Your body, your choice, your dime."
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:52 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:+1
Irrelevant imo. If you don't agree with abortion don't have one.
If there is to be some ultimate justice levied against those responsible for abortion, this justice will be delivered by something or someone that or who exists above the US Government. Most of us here are conservatives, so we shouldn't expect the government to do God's job (that's what the left does, and it's really gay).
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:52 pm to Midget Death Squad
about 95% of abortions are for convenience, after the fact birth control
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:53 pm to ballscaster
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Most of us here are conservatives, so we shouldn't expect the government to do God's job
This is what small government should be.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:54 pm to Midget Death Squad
Very few.
Abortion for the life of a mother - actual risk is sad but justifiable. I would guess there are many of these that would be the result of a non viable pregnancy (ectopic).
I wish I didn't care about abortion. It would make it easier because I wouldn't have to think about it or argue over it.
I just can't get past the idea that abortion ends a hum life. I don't think I could ever change my mind on that.
Over the weekend I was contacted by a woman who turned out to be my half sister. We have never met and though as a teen I heard rumors I had no idea if they were true or not. The only family members who would have known have passed away (including my biological father).
Her biological mother decided to put her up for adoption because she recognized her inability to adequately care for her.
She ended up with amazing parents who raised her well and she is now a beautiful and accomplished young woman.
Y'all just can't imagine (unless you've experienced similar) how amazing it feels to connect with a sibling you never knew you had. This further enforces my belief that choosing life is always a better option (when at all possible- mothers life excluded,obviously)
Abortion for the life of a mother - actual risk is sad but justifiable. I would guess there are many of these that would be the result of a non viable pregnancy (ectopic).
I wish I didn't care about abortion. It would make it easier because I wouldn't have to think about it or argue over it.
I just can't get past the idea that abortion ends a hum life. I don't think I could ever change my mind on that.
Over the weekend I was contacted by a woman who turned out to be my half sister. We have never met and though as a teen I heard rumors I had no idea if they were true or not. The only family members who would have known have passed away (including my biological father).
Her biological mother decided to put her up for adoption because she recognized her inability to adequately care for her.
She ended up with amazing parents who raised her well and she is now a beautiful and accomplished young woman.
Y'all just can't imagine (unless you've experienced similar) how amazing it feels to connect with a sibling you never knew you had. This further enforces my belief that choosing life is always a better option (when at all possible- mothers life excluded,obviously)
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:54 pm to narddogg81
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about 95% of abortions are for convenience, after the fact birth control
"Welfare queens keep popping out more kids being a drain on the country. They are a cancer on society."
vs
"No abortions under any conditions ever."
Those two statements don't really square.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:55 pm to Midget Death Squad
Between 2-5%, depending on the source and what they list under "health of the mother".
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:56 pm to Midget Death Squad
Just a reminder to everyone that abortion is not in question regarding Supreme Court judges. The term used by the left in all the print media this week is women's health.
Gorsuch is not being condemned because he opposes abortion. He is condemned because he opposes women's health.
Gorsuch is not being condemned because he opposes abortion. He is condemned because he opposes women's health.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:58 pm to When in Rome
By every stretch abortion is essentially legalized murder. With that said it has to be legal. Mind you, i dont believe a person should do it for reasons that are selfish. Also every woman who has it done isn't a monster.
At this point I'll bring up an anecdote from a personal friend of mine. She got pregnant at 19 from a long term boyfriend. She and him combined only had 20 hours of courses at a community college and made due with less than 18k a year and had no family support due to early deaths.
She fought the decision everyday and told next to no one. Her boyfriend died driving drunk a few days after she discovered this and he never knew he was going to be a father.
The only life she could have given that child was a poor life where it had nothing and very likely would never made it up in life in her mind. She did it, but has never for one day not felt bad for doing it.
It has been years now and she has even regressed further in life, partially from her own poor choices and partially bad luck. She would have been a poor mother and knows that.
The problem though is whether knowing that kid would have had a bad path in life vs just having a life was the right thing. She still doesnt know the answer to that question and I know it still haunts her.
At this point I'll bring up an anecdote from a personal friend of mine. She got pregnant at 19 from a long term boyfriend. She and him combined only had 20 hours of courses at a community college and made due with less than 18k a year and had no family support due to early deaths.
She fought the decision everyday and told next to no one. Her boyfriend died driving drunk a few days after she discovered this and he never knew he was going to be a father.
The only life she could have given that child was a poor life where it had nothing and very likely would never made it up in life in her mind. She did it, but has never for one day not felt bad for doing it.
It has been years now and she has even regressed further in life, partially from her own poor choices and partially bad luck. She would have been a poor mother and knows that.
The problem though is whether knowing that kid would have had a bad path in life vs just having a life was the right thing. She still doesnt know the answer to that question and I know it still haunts her.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 1:00 pm to Midget Death Squad
It is extremely rare that an abortion is needed to save the life of the mother. If the mother's life is in danger, delivery is almost always the best solution. Then the medical staff can attempt to save the child's life but of course, it may occur that the child cannot survive. This is not a willful act to end the baby's life. This is not abortion.
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