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If the embryo implants in the Fallopian tube, then that could rupture as the baby grows and cause the death of both mother and child. The choice is not one of the mother's comfort over the baby's life, the choice is then to save the mother do you sacrifice the child or do you not do anything and risk both lives. It's a different thought process altogether.

Totally legit - it is a medical life-saving procedure. Not an voluntary 'abortion.'

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Posted by NC_Tigah

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Posted on 2/1/17 at 2:27 pm to skrayper

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If you cannot address your beliefs academically

You made an academically ignorant statement.

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The child is not an autonomous organism in regards to the stage of life we are discussing. If it cannot survive on its own, then it lacks that designation.

. . . applies to any 1 y/o infant. That was the point.

The term you seem oblivious to is fetal viability.
Viability occurs at around the 5th month of pregnancy.

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Posted on 2/1/17 at 2:31 pm to mark65mc

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The time that would be to protect the life of the mother would likely be an ectopic pregnancy and that would be terminated prior to 12 weeks. That's a legit reason.

Discovery of an aggressive malignancy requiring treatment that would eventually kill the fetus prior to viability would be another example.

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Posted by Strophie

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Posted on 2/1/17 at 2:40 pm to Midget Death Squad

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The quote you set your initial question on was regarding the previous poster stating that life should only be preserved when it can be sustained independent of other people. His exact words were "if it can't survive on its own," thus 3 year olds, cerebral palsy patients and numerous other living human beings of all ages with health deformities would fall under this definition of people who don't deserve designation of being protected by the government.

I honestly missed that, and I wasn't trying to defend that position. I just saw your response and hopped in at that point. I guess I should have made that more clear.

I think his definition is wrong. Those are obvious examples of living, sentient human life to me.

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I believe life begins at conception.

This is the thing that I do have trouble rationalizing though, both because it's a slippery slope, and because all the thought experiments around this topic that I've put to people eventually suss out that they don't actually believe this.

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