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House Freedom Caucus Supports Newest Iteration of Obamacare Replacement Bill

Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:56 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:56 am
Just announced.

Will link when available
Posted by Shenanigans
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:56 am to
Denzel boom gif
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:56 am to
Hmm. Things could get fun
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:58 am to
All I have so far. LINK
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:58 am to
Now it will be up to Paul Ryan to whip the moderates into line and Mitch McConnel to do the same with the senate as well.

This will be a test of leadership for those two and they better not fricking blow it.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:59 am to
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:59 am to
Please, please, please make it happen
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:15 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:20 pm to
quote:

In a statement, the Freedom Caucus said its members would support the plan if it includes the MacArthur Amendment, which would allow states to waive some key Obamacare provisions. The compromise was negotiated between moderate GOP Rep. Tom MacArthur of New Jersey and Freedom Caucus leader Rep. Mark Meadows of North Carolina.

"The MacArthur amendment will grant states the ability to repeal cost driving aspects of Obamacare left in place under the original AHCA. While the revised version still does not fully repeal Obamacare, we are prepared to support it to keep our promise to the American people to lower healthcare costs," the Freedom Caucus said in a statement.

It is not clear at this point how close the Freedom Caucus support will get the bill to passage in the House.

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Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:26 pm to
Wait, if the bill is backed by the FC, how can it NOT pass the house? There aren't enough "moderate" Rs in the house to shoot it down.

The moderates have power in the senate.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:30 pm to
quote:

Wait, if the bill is backed by the FC, how can it NOT pass the house? There aren't enough "moderate" Rs in the house to shoot it down.

The moderates have power in the senate.
and the proposed compromise came from that wing.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:31 pm to
Also, how will this get enough votes to pass the senate when you need 60 for cloture?
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:32 pm to
I Russianed you. Please forgive, here is the amendment explained. I wish we could combine our threads so I don't have to repost.

quote:

What’s In The Amendment?

Reinstating EHBs
The proposal would first “Reinstate Essential Health Benefits as the federal standard.” This would presumably remove the confusing amendment to the American Health Care Act adopted in late March that would have required states to define the essential health benefits package for purposes of premium tax credits.

Keeping Most ACA Market Reforms
Second, the amendment would maintain most of the ACA’s market reforms, including the:

Prohibition on preexisting condition exclusions;
Prohibition on discrimination based on gender;
Guaranteed issue and renewability requirements;
Coverage of adult children up to age 26 on their parent’s plans; and
Community rating, except as permitted by waiver.
State Waivers
These provisions would presumably respond to the concern of Republican moderates that the AHCA not undermine access to coverage and care generally. The amendment would also, however, provide “limited waiver options,” presumably included to satisfy the Freedom Caucus. These would allow states to apply for waivers from the ACA’s essential health benefit (EHB) requirements. States could also seek waivers from the community rating rules, except that they could not permit rating based on gender, on age (except for reductions in the 5:1 ratio already included by the AHCA) or on health status, unless the state had established a high risk pool or is participating in a federal high risk pool.

States would have to “attest” that their requested waiver was intended to “reduce premium costs, increase the number of persons with healthcare coverage, or advance another benefit to the public interest in the state, including the guarantee of coverage for persons with pre-existing medical conditions.” The amendment provides that HHS “shall” approve applications within 90 days of determining the application complete.

As compared to current ACA guardrails imposed on the grant of section 1332 state innovation waivers, these conditions are essentially meaningless. Virtually any reduction in essential health benefits, for example, will reduce premium costs for some enrollees, while “another benefit to the public interest of the state” is broad enough to include virtually anything. Moreover, a state must apparently only “attest” that the waiver will accomplish some purpose, not provide evidence that it will in fact do so, as is required for 1332 waiver applications. And HHS has no discretion to deny completed waiver applications.

EHB Waivers
State initiatives to waive EHBs would, as noted earlier, would undermine a number of other ACA insurance protections which are defined in terms of EHB, such as the caps on out-of-pocket expenses or the annual and lifetime limit prohibitions. It could allow insurers to eliminate benefits mandated under the ACA that were often omitted in the individual market prior to the ACA, such as maternity or mental health benefits. It could alternatively allow states to simply permit thinner coverage of mandated categories, perhaps requiring coverage for fewer drugs. But it would mean taking coverage away from people that they now have a right to, which would likely be resisted by patients who need and providers who offer the products and services for which coverage would be eliminated.

Health Status Underwriting Waivers
Waivers that would allow states to permit health status underwriting could dramatically increase premiums for people with high cost conditions to unaffordable levels. High risk pools could reduce the cost of coverage, but would have to be adequately funded. The original $100 billion over nine years provided by the AHCA for states’ stability programs could be used to fund state high risk pools. States would have to provide matching funding beginning in 2020 to access this money. A manager’s amendment added another $15 billion, but it was targeted at maternity and mental health and substance use disorder care. Finally, the most recent amendment to the AHCA added $15 billion to create a national “invisible high risk sharing” program, essentially a national reinsurance program. (For differing views on these programs, see here and here.) The last two funds would presumably not be available for state high risk pools.

Neither the AHCA nor any amendments offered so far create a “federal high risk pool” as contemplated by the amendment. We have a great deal of experience with state high risk pools, which has not been encouraging. High risk pools would segregate high-cost individuals, who account for most of health care spending, in special insurance programs that would likely charge higher premiums and offer more limited coverage. Unless states were willing to offer substantial subsidies, coverage would likely be unaffordable to enrollees. States would also have to establish or reestablish high risk pools as state entities and get insurers to offer coverage in them, which would also take some effort. Although taking high cost enrollees out of the general risk pool could undoubtedly lower premiums for others, the cost to most states of establishing high risk pools could simply be too high.

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This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

While the revised version still does not fully repeal Obamacare, we are prepared to support it to keep our promise to the American people to lower healthcare costs," the Freedom Caucus said in a statement.


Cucks...
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:32 pm to
Looks like it's losing some moderates though.


Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:33 pm to
Going to be funny when the moderates kill the bill this time.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:34 pm to
Here is the link

quote:

House Freedom Caucus on Twitter: "NEWS: Freedom Caucus announces support for AHCA with Rep. MacArthur's amendment included. Statement: LINK

LINK
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

Wait, if the bill is backed by the FC, how can it NOT pass the house? There aren't enough "moderate" Rs in the house to shoot it down.


of the 30 votes they were short last go around, it was at least half moderates that were solid nos.

They need less than 23 moderates to flip to pass it, I think that is probably doable.

the senate will be a problem though.

Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

Also, how will this get enough votes to pass the senate when you need 60 for cloture?



It wont, the purpose of this bill is to allow Ryan and the FC to say they passed something not to actually have the bill reach the President's desk.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146956 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:38 pm to
It sounds like a few moderate naysayers but I would hope they have the votes to move forward.

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