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re: Have we discussed Daily Stormer and Stormfront getting banned from the internet?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 1:57 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Posted on 9/3/17 at 1:57 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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When the left loses StrongSafety on something, you know they really done fricked up.
He, too, seems confused about the application of the 1A.
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Posted on 9/3/17 at 1:58 pm to MrCarton
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the magical US constitution will construct a force field around free speech like the one it built around the 2A and 4A amirite?
Dude, wtf are you talking about? You can go buy a desert eagle right now because of the 2nd amendment. If the police illegally search you you can get off of a crime even if you actually did it because of the 4th amendment.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 1:59 pm to el Gaucho
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Damn that's crazy, how do they not get rickets
I've never been up north tbh
It's just the cities. New York State is huge,and mostly country as hell.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:03 pm to TN Bhoy
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There's a difference between that and hate speech.
From what I understand in order for advocating violence to be a crime the violence must be "imminent" ... i.e. I can type on here "we should all go and have a riot downtown"...no crime committed.
But, if I am downtown and shouting through a megaphone "burn this motherfricker down, smash up the stores" (or whatever you'd say to incite a riot
)...then that's a crime. With that in mind, I'd be curious as to what was written on those websites that was used as an excuse to have them taken down. If it wasn't something severely egregious then this is a terribly slippery slope we've started down.
ETA: Just read a little further and saw it was the ISP that booted them. Whelp, in that case DS should sue just like the gay wedding cake people.
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:08 pm to CptRusty
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From what I understand in order for advocating violence to be a crime the violence must be "imminent" ... i.e. I can type on here "we should all go and have a riot downtown"...no crime committed.
But, if I am downtown and shouting through a megaphone "burn this motherfricker down, smash up the stores" (or whatever you'd say to incite a riot ? )...then that's a crime.
Yep that's Brandenburg v. Ohio.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:11 pm to cwill
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How about I, an individual, own a web hosting company and I, individually, choose not to give a platform to racists.
What is your argument, concisely?
Because if you support that argument, it allows me to stop selling anything to anybody who doesn't agree with me.
especially weapons.
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:32 pm to auggie
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Because if you support that argument, it allows me to stop selling anything to anybody who doesn't agree with me.
especially weapons.
So you support gov interference in the free market?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:36 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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Why don't you tell me how DS going down has absolutely nothing to do with net neutrality
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Net neutrality is an attempt to regulate content. It's disguised as something else but in the end it's about control.
Net neutrality is literally the exact opposite of trying to regulate content and has nothing to do with this discussion.
Net neutrality is ISPs (read: not hosting providers or domain registrars, which is the problem here) treating every bit and byte that passes through their networks the same, regardless of volume, point of origin, and destination.
For this issue to be a net neutrality issue, you would need Comcast to say that they would not tolerate Daily Stormer traffic on their networks and block it from reaching their customers even though it's asscessible on the Internet.
This is different. This is multiple companies freely deciding they do not want to offer domain registration for the website, citing their T&C
The hilarious part is this is an example of the kind of stuff what the anti-net neutrality folks want. Their assertion to the concerns of the net neutrality proponents is that someone in the market will always provide the service so regulation is unneeded.
FREE MARKET! WHOOOOOOOOOO. YAY CAPITALISM.
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:37 pm to cwill
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So you support gov interference in the free market?
The government forces private businesses to serve minorities. This is government interference in the free market to protect the constitutional principle of equal protection. The government could also just as easily intervene here to protect the free flow of information and political speech.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:50 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
I know what you believe.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:56 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
I have some beefs with the left. Actually a lot. Don't get me started though
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:03 pm to cwill
It's ok to stop selling internet time to white supreemies= no weapons to anyone who might be somehow related to something that I don''t like.
same thing.
same thing.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:03 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
quote:Sure they could. Thank God they aren't.
The government could also just as easily intervene here to protect the free flow of information and political speech.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:07 pm to JuiceTerry
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Sure they could. Thank God they aren't.
You say that now, but I wonder if you'll feel differently if the next site that goes down is one that you happen to like. If you don't think this is a slippery slope then you aren't paying attention.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:13 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
quote:You're absolutely wrong. Sorry about your homepage, though. As I said, maybe they should start up their own ISP.
You say that now, but I wonder if you'll feel differently if the next site that goes down is one that you happen to like.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:19 pm to auggie
I would describe upstate NY as "rural" not pure "country".
I have spend a ton of time up there (I love it) and never once have seen anyone in Cowboy boots or with a hat unless it was at a Dance or the State Fair. But daily life, never seen it.
It's rural and pro-Trump. but not big belt buckle territory up there.
It's absolutely gorgeous too. The area around Cooperstown NY is to die for. I love visiting family up there.
I have spend a ton of time up there (I love it) and never once have seen anyone in Cowboy boots or with a hat unless it was at a Dance or the State Fair. But daily life, never seen it.
It's rural and pro-Trump. but not big belt buckle territory up there.
It's absolutely gorgeous too. The area around Cooperstown NY is to die for. I love visiting family up there.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:24 pm to Eurocat
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I would describe upstate NY as "rural" not pure "country".
I have spend a ton of time up there (I love it) and never once have seen anyone in Cowboy boots or with a hat unless it was at a Dance or the State Fair. But daily life, never seen it.
So you are saying "it's pretty much like The South."
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:42 pm to auggie
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It's ok to stop selling internet time to white supreemies= no weapons to anyone who might be somehow related to something that I don''t like.
same thing.
First that's not what happened - a host refused to host. And why can't you answer a simple question - do you want the gov to step in and regulate pvt business and compel service?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:49 pm to auggie
It very much resembles parts of the South, sure, why not?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:54 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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For example, if I want to grant preferential treatment to internet traffic but NN stops me, what stops me from gaining control of hosts and just taking down the sites I don't want to treat the same, thereby creating preferential treatment of Internet traffic by default?
The problem is as you say the costs with it.
It's akin to saying why doesn't Walmart just buy Amazon to eliminate their threat.
Especially when its it just hosting you need to control: it's domain registration.
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